1970 440 6Pack Complete Motor, Date coded, What's it worth?

[hemidude426ci]

How much is a complete and perfectly rebuilt date coded 440 +6 motor worth?

[FJ5_440]

Complete meaning with carbs, intake,air cleaner??

[hemidude426ci]

Yup

[72hemi]

I paid 3k for mine about a year ago, but it did not have the exhaust manifolds or air cleaner and needed to be rebuilt. I think I remember seeing one on ebay that was fully rebuilt and complete go for around 12k.

[Challenger6pak]

Post a pic of it.  Is it the correct harmonic balancer?

[jeryst]

Kind of a touchy thing.

The only way to prove its a real 440+6 motor, is to have the build sheet of the car that it came out of.  Otherwise, they can be faked very easily.

[440WhiteBoy]

wont the stamped Vin# with the stamped upper front pad tell the story too -
I had one from a 69 RR - HP2

3500 - 4500 to rebuild the motor + the block
then add in the top half intake, carbs

[jeryst]

wont the stamped Vin# with the stamped upper front pad tell the story too -
I had one from a 69 RR - HP2

From what I've been told, the only place that proves that it is a real 6 pack motor, is the build sheet of the car that it came out of. They did not designate the motors in any way. Just an HP block with stronger internals, and the +6 intake and carbs.

[Challenger6pak]

This is true. The block only shows a partial VIN. It does not show the engine code. You have to have a complete VIN number from a build sheet or VIN tag that matches the VIN on the block to determine if the block is a 6 pack block or a high performance block. Physicaly the blocks are the same.

[craigsmytcudas]

this thread makes for good fun ,but if the motor is missing the dates on the rod and main bearings and the 6bbl pistons along with the back of the cam then who cares about the vin .and if the engine is going in another car its mute .if i understand what the purist believe is true then we should scrap everything and pay homage to the survivor cars only .i have seen the so called matching #s cars and they are usually not corect it takes more than a block trans and dash vin to be a match . if its restored its not much more than another car with a whole bunch of taiwan resto parts . why not just enjoy the cars i hate going to shows and the first thing out of the  car owners mouth is its a match and thats when i point out all the parts that are not. i have a brother in denver with a road runner its a survivor the only changes are the rear tires and distributor thats a close match but no cigar .

[bb71challenger]

For most enthusiasts the engine, trans and rear are the most important pieces and DO constitute a numbers matching car for all intents and purposes. Who gives a rats ass if the power steering pump is not original or date coded. For the top tier car restorations that might mean something but to me it just means a guy went the extra mile during his restoration. To be commended for sure but you will never see me at a show docking some guy because his voltage regulator was built 20 years after his car. I like to enjoy each car for what it is. They are all labors of love and if someone has a car that is inbetween platinum and daily driver who am I to knock it? If someone is bragging that their car is numbers matching then I say cool, good for them, let them enjoy that important fact. If someone has a 440 in a 73 'Cuda then I say cool, good for them, let them enjoy that also. Nothing worse than a guy kicking isht all over your car because it is not what HE thinks it should be. People who knit pick someone elses ride just need the middle finger salute imo.

[craigsmytcudas]

bb all good points, my cars are from both ends of this deal i like it all .i personally agree about picking another guys car apart i wouldnt either . that said i build cars for both ends of the car market ,but i can not lie to my customers when they ask about a match or how close it is .many cars i look at are restamps , im sadened when i see this but its fueled by enthusiasts that think this is so important and its the easiest parts to fake  and so many get hurt from the #s game and the iq finger is never appropiate .

[bb71challenger]

I see where you are coming from. Restamping anything is fraud as far as I am concerned. I was talking more about some owner who has a rare car who looks down his nose on others that build a car how they want it. There are many cars that I see where an owner has modified or customized it that tend to leave me scratching my head but unless I am asked specifically I would not comment on it. Its not my car and as long as the owner likes it that is the important thing. Straight restorations, restomods, customs, pro-streets, there is room enough for all of us and we should all support each other. 

[az-nick]

please remember that HP2 does not mean a six pack motor........

[bb71challenger]

please remember that HP2 does not mean a six pack motor........

Yes, it only means  that it is an HP engine that was built on the second shift.