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    Author Topic: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?  (Read 15957 times)

    Offline shadango

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #60 on: March 16, 2010 - 09:40:28 PM »
    Quote from: 500Stroker on March 16, 2010 - 03:16:48 PM
    Shadango,  When you go to the alignment shop make sure you use the specs you will find on this site and tell the mechanic to ignore the specs in his alignment computer.

    Yep..this guy has already said "no problem" to that.

    Have to find the specs again....I remember caster being +3 or 4 if possible....
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    Offline 500Stroker

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #61 on: March 16, 2010 - 09:57:16 PM »
    Found it.

    Quote from: Chryco Psycho on April 02, 2009 - 10:57:34 AM
    turn the caster to max , set the camber 0- negative .5* , toe in 1/16"up to 1/8 " if it has wide front tires
     

    I wound up with:
    Caster 4.0*
    Camber -0.5*
    Toe in 1/8"
    « Last Edit: March 16, 2010 - 10:01:47 PM by 500Stroker »
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    Offline shadango

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #62 on: March 16, 2010 - 10:46:50 PM »
    Awesome! Thanks!

    Just printed that info out and stuck it on my dash for friday!   :cooldancing:
    « Last Edit: March 17, 2010 - 05:34:57 AM by shadango »
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    Offline tommyg29

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #63 on: March 17, 2010 - 06:47:55 AM »
    this is more an alignment issue than a steering issue, but I've adjusted my toe several times, and fooled with the eccentric bolts trying to adjust the camber and caster. Best I can get my camber is about -2.0 degrees on each side. When I push the front bolts out and the rears in I get positive camber. There seems to be no middle ground on mine, but maybe I just need to fool some more.
    Someone on here said try to go with a little more camber on the right side than the left to help a bit with road crown.
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    Offline shadango

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #64 on: March 17, 2010 - 07:22:04 AM »
    Do you have the offset  control arm upper bushings or regulars?
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    Offline shadango

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #65 on: March 17, 2010 - 11:45:40 AM »
    Quote from: tommyg29 on March 16, 2010 - 02:23:07 PM
    on the ground is fine

    What I meant to ask is CAN I set the toe with the car up on jacks?  its easier that way but is it accurate?
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    Offline tommyg29

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #66 on: March 17, 2010 - 01:15:50 PM »
    I wouldnt think so. I think the front end needs weight on it to make it accurate.
    I think the geometry will be different.
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    72 Roadrunner 400-4 Auto-3.23 Gear-Black Cruiser
    71 Cuda 440-6 Tribute-Limelight-A833 Close Ratio-4 Sp-Pistol Grip-Dana 3.54 Powr Lok-Rally Dash-Shaker (Sold)
    92 Dodge Stealth RT-Twin 15g Turbos-SAFC2 Tuned-Mystic Blue-5 Sp-AWD-Rear Wheel Steering-AutoX'r (Sold)
    12 Dodge Charger SXT Plus Blacktop Package-3.6L-8 Sp-Leather-Nav (the wife's)

    Multiple SRT's, Rams, Dakotas, Caravans and Neons

    ...the lines on the road just look like dots!....

    Offline shadango

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #67 on: March 17, 2010 - 01:37:50 PM »
    Thats what I figured.

    Kinda tight under there for us folks who arent petite.  :)
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    Offline tommyg29

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #68 on: March 17, 2010 - 02:31:51 PM »
    throw a towel down there to lay on next to the wheel and go to town. Have to keep getting up and moving from one side to the other, but it's not that hard, unless your car is lowered way down. I use two half inch? wrenches/sockets, and a pipewrench.
    Have someone help when you measure the front to rear difference. Makes it easier. You can improvise different tools to help with the job, but I keep it simple as possible.
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    72 Roadrunner 400-4 Auto-3.23 Gear-Black Cruiser
    71 Cuda 440-6 Tribute-Limelight-A833 Close Ratio-4 Sp-Pistol Grip-Dana 3.54 Powr Lok-Rally Dash-Shaker (Sold)
    92 Dodge Stealth RT-Twin 15g Turbos-SAFC2 Tuned-Mystic Blue-5 Sp-AWD-Rear Wheel Steering-AutoX'r (Sold)
    12 Dodge Charger SXT Plus Blacktop Package-3.6L-8 Sp-Leather-Nav (the wife's)

    Multiple SRT's, Rams, Dakotas, Caravans and Neons

    ...the lines on the road just look like dots!....

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #69 on: March 17, 2010 - 11:05:34 PM »
    Well, that wasnt so bad!

    Had to have the wife come and hold the tape, but aside from that piece of cake.

    I have the solid tube tie rod adjusters so its even easier...juts one wrenh to hold the rod in place and the other to loosen the two nuts...spin by hand and tighten the nuts. 

    The steering wheel is still 90 degrees off....I didnt feel like messing with it further.....I think I have the toe in at EXACTLY 1/16!

    The car rolls better and steers better.....good enough to get her to the alignment shop.  :clapping:

    Thanks for the advice!   :2thumbs:
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    Offline shadango

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #70 on: March 22, 2010 - 08:00:38 AM »
    Just as a followup...

    The alignment is done and all I can say is WOW!

    What a difference from the car I drove last summer/fall.

    The steering still feels a bit tight....I think all the new parts need to bed in a little.....but the car handles corners now like its on rails (it should...1" t bars and stiiff add a leafs in the rear).....the cart racks good and the steering is heavy but has a good road feel to it....I thought my Durango had heavy steering....that feels light after driving my fish !  LOL

    I didn notice that there is still just a bit of "slop" in the steering wheel....not really sloppy, just a little movement before the wheels turn.....way less than before of course.....I am not worried about it, but was wondering if perhaps I have something installed to tight....like perhaps the idler arm, and that is causing the tightness and the slight lag......??

    Overall though, very happy so far with the FF stage 3. !   :2thumbs:
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    Offline 500Stroker

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #71 on: March 22, 2010 - 05:18:40 PM »
    Some Wheaties and a few 12 ounce curls should help with that heavy steering.  :lol:   :lol:
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    Offline shadango

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #72 on: March 22, 2010 - 06:52:02 PM »
    <grin>  Just got back from a nice cruise with the wife and kids....it was the first time my wife drove the fish!   She had a smile on her face the whole time.    :bigsmile:

    I am definately liking the steering now.....   :2thumbs:  Glas I went stage 3 so far.....VERY nice at speeds 40 and up.....a little heavy puttering around but not ridiculous.

    The care feels like a performance car now, not a luxury boat!   :woohoo:
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    Offline 500Stroker

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #73 on: March 22, 2010 - 07:19:07 PM »
    BIG mistake...NEVER let the wife drive the car.  :nono:  The next thing you know you will go out to the garage to jump in the car for a cruise and you'll see a note on the garage door.  "Honey, I took the fish to the hair dressers.  Can you do laundry while I'm gone"

     :eek2:   :eek2:
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    Offline shadango

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    Re: Firmfeel or Steerandgear ?
    « Reply #74 on: March 22, 2010 - 09:56:35 PM »
    LOL

    Ya know, she has been talking about wanting a mustang for years...maybe i better work on that....LOL
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