70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?

Author Topic: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?  (Read 21533 times)

Offline CHUCKS71

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1123
  • "IF YOUR NOT FIRST YOUR LAST"
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2008 - 04:54:24 PM »
I like this idea, I'm sure someone makes them for Mopars.

http://www.thehoffmangroup.com/autoloc/product.lasso?prodinc=electricwindowcrank

P.G.
Only problem I see is you will have to put each window down One at a time.Other than that it's a great idea.
:burnout::22yikes::burnout:    www.ronpaul2008.com
71 Challenger 4spd   www.conservativepunk.com
03 Ram diesel 6spd    http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m222/chucknutz/1971%20Challenger/




Offline Katfish

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 3733
  • 70 Challenger
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2008 - 06:23:53 PM »
After reading this post, I figured that I'd add my 2 cents.   I have the Electric Life power window kit on my Cuda, and it is true that the windows go down faster than they come up.   When running my factory Cuda's alternator, there was insufficient "juice" to raise the window up faster while the engine was at idle.   If you gave the engine a little more rpm's by pressing on the gas pedal, you will notice that the window goes up much quicker.

Anyway, as time went on, I decided to swich to the Magnum's engine accessories because I wanted to run a serpentine belt and the higher amp alternator.   And, this change fixed the slow window raising problem.   I think that the Magnum's alternator puts out something like 130amps compared to the 65amps on our factory alternators.   And, the Magnum's Denso alternator puts out excellent "juice" at idle.   (No more headlights dimming while I sit at traffic lights)   

Anyway, my point is more power = faster window raising.   And, less power = slow window raising.

Again, just my 2 cents.

 

Ok, now with your extra current, how fast does the window go down?  What about the situation where your sitting with the motor off and want to roll up the window?

The problem with A1 Electric is they don't have a helper spring.  Even the factory manual regulators have them.  Simple concept, same as your garage door.  Springs winds up on the way down, slowing the decent, unwinds on the way up, helping it raise.

I spoke to the Electric Life tech support, they finally admitted this was a problem, and suggested I could add a helper spring as some of their other customers were doing.

No thanks, bad design in my mind.

Offline bb71challenger

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 6549
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2008 - 06:32:30 PM »
Ok, now with your extra current, how fast does the window go down?  What about the situation where your sitting with the motor off and want to roll up the window?

The problem with A1 Electric is they don't have a helper spring.  Even the factory manual regulators have them.  Simple concept, same as your garage door.  Springs winds up on the way down, slowing the decent, unwinds on the way up, helping it raise.

I spoke to the Electric Life tech support, they finally admitted this was a problem, and suggested I could add a helper spring as some of their other customers were doing.

No thanks, bad design in my mind.

I will have to look at my setup and compare it to a factory setup. Anyone have pics of the motor and regulator setup? If I can add a helper spring then maybe that is the solution I have been looking for. The window comes down 3 times faster than it raises. A good design IMO would raise and lower at the same rate.
1971 Challenger (OO==== ====OO) getting close!
1970 Challenger (OO########OO) long ways off
*Brett*

Offline thedodgeboys

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 3633
  • ''Normal’s Overrated''
    • THE DODGE BOYS
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2008 - 09:47:57 PM »
Only problem I see is you will have to put each window down One at a time.Other than that it's a great idea.

If someone could add a &(()&#* ? so that if you hit the drivers switch twice all 4 go down (like on new cars driver window no holding the switch)
That would be cool.  :dunno: :thinkerg:
Go Fast & Have Fun...
70 6.1 HEMI 6-speed Drop Top...

Offline miketyler

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 2561
    • www.miketyler.net
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2008 - 06:51:36 AM »
In defense of the EL kit, mine does fine. It bolted right in and yes it took some adjusting, mostly required sliding the tracks outboard that reduce the friction against the window molding as it goes up. They are still a LITTLE bit faster going down than going up but its not that noticeable. I was able to wire up OEM mopar power window switches so it all looks factory.

 
72' Cuda restomod
70 Mustang Mach 1
07' Toyota Tacoma Prerunner Dbl cab in Speedway Blue!
01' Honda 1100 Shadow Sabre
96' Seadoo Challenger

Offline ShelbyDogg

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 5007
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2008 - 09:16:13 AM »
The factory switches mount at the same location as the window crank hole. 

I have power window SE panels in my '70 Challenger, and had to cut holes for the window cranks.  The crank holes were above the power window switches.    I still have those, which are now hooked up as my power lock switches.

Rob
Rob

3 E-bodies, Megasquirt-1v3.0, Edelbrock Pro-Flo-1, Holley C950, FAST EZ-EFI; say no to carbs...yes to throttle bodies

My Pace Car restoration thread:
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=44869.0


Offline 71chally416

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 3170
    • The Streetwalker
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2008 - 10:16:15 AM »
A couple of simple electrical components wired into the down circuit hot wire to limit the current or voltage could take care of the "too rapid down" problem for just a few bucks at Radio Shack. A single Diode cuts voltage .06 and resistors cut the current. Just use Ohm's law > I = V/R ("I" being the current, "V" being the voltage and "R" being the resistance)
Once we had Ronald Reagan, Bob Hope & Johnny Cash. Now we have Obama, No Hope and No Cash!

Offline PlumCrazyChris

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 456
    • Mopar Muscle Cars of Austin
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2008 - 01:24:41 AM »
If someone could add a &(()&#* ? so that if you hit the drivers switch twice all 4 go down (like on new cars driver window no holding the switch)
That would be cool.  :dunno: :thinkerg:


Check out this option.  I got my 3 pt seatbelts from these guys.  Good prices too.

http://www.thehoffmangroup.com/autoloc/product.lasso?prodinc=onetouchwindows

Chris
PlumCrazyChris
Mopar Muscle Cars of Austin
Round Rock Tx
70 Challenger 5.7, A518, A/C
70 Challenger 340 convertible (Gone to Sweden)
68 Barracuda (sold it too)
www.mopar.org

Offline bb71challenger

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 6549
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2008 - 10:11:06 AM »
I love the one touch feature on newer vehicles that lowers the window all the way but I dont know that I would want to shackle myself to something that only goes all the way up or all the way down. Having the option of stopping the window at any point along the way is very important imo.
1971 Challenger (OO==== ====OO) getting close!
1970 Challenger (OO########OO) long ways off
*Brett*

Offline gkring

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 825
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2008 - 10:49:07 AM »
I love the one touch feature on newer vehicles that lowers the window all the way but I dont know that I would want to shackle myself to something that only goes all the way up or all the way down. Having the option of stopping the window at any point along the way is very important imo.

The way these work is one touch gets it going and when it gets down as far as you want you just tap the switch the other way and it stops.
Greg
1970 Challenger convertible-in process
1970 Barracuda driver

Offline bb71challenger

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 6549
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2008 - 11:09:09 AM »
ah ok. I looked the description over and kind of got the impression that it was all or nothing. You know, I have the electric life kit and it was a bust. Worst 250 I think I have spent so far. After reading about the problems fitting the XV kit I dont want that either. I think I might just go back to manual regulators or try to find a factory setup that I can upgrade the motors on. Just not worth the hassle of doing all that work only to find the system does not work even close to acceptable.
1971 Challenger (OO==== ====OO) getting close!
1970 Challenger (OO########OO) long ways off
*Brett*

Offline Katfish

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 3733
  • 70 Challenger
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2008 - 06:34:04 PM »
Did you ever look into the helper spring for the A1 kit?

Offline bb71challenger

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 6549
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2008 - 06:47:38 PM »
My car is still a shell. A partly painted one finally but a shell none the less. I have a long way to go before I am doing windows.
1971 Challenger (OO==== ====OO) getting close!
1970 Challenger (OO########OO) long ways off
*Brett*

Offline 71chally416

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 3170
    • The Streetwalker
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2008 - 03:55:32 PM »
I have the electric life kit and it was a bust. Worst 250 I think I have spent so far......My car is still a shell. A partly painted one finally but a shell none the less. I have a long way to go before I am doing windows.

 :clueless:
Once we had Ronald Reagan, Bob Hope & Johnny Cash. Now we have Obama, No Hope and No Cash!

Offline bb71challenger

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 6549
Re: 70-74 E-BODY POWER WINDOW CONVERSION KIT?
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2008 - 04:38:10 PM »
:clueless:

They were in it before teardown for paint. I installed them when I was still driving the car. I did not have time to tinker with them much but was not impressed.
1971 Challenger (OO==== ====OO) getting close!
1970 Challenger (OO########OO) long ways off
*Brett*