SB headers

[imean340]

Im in the market for new headers as mine are rotted and the primaries are dented from when the car sat loooow in the front.

I currently have hooker supercomps (1 3/4's) on my 340, .030 over, .480 lift 230 duration ect... I hope to eventually run a bigger cam, one day maybe some ported w2's but right now im just running that setup with a 670cfm carb and 4.56 rear. I was looking at headers and I see summit makes a set for $105 vs the $450 something for the supercomps. I know bowties better than mopars and in the bowtie crowd we'd normally run 1 5/8ths long tubes for most smallblocks minus some big cube strokers, blower motors or cars revving to the moon. I ran a set of 1 5/8th's on an LT1 396 stroker making 520fwhp and a friend of mine did on a similar setup and when he dyno'd the 1 5/8ths vs the 1 3/4's he only make something like 5 more peak hp and less power under the curve. Im wondering if you guys think its worth spending the extra 300 on the supercomps just to have 1 3/4's instead of 1 5/8ths? I could use that 300 towards a 750cfm carb, bigger cam or to finish my nitrous system. Seems like the 300 would make more power if used for one of those options instead but I want to know what you guys think! thanks!

[4Cruizn]

Well it seem that TTI is the header of choice around here as the fit and look is good.  They are a bit pricey though . . 

[imean340]

Yea, I have seen them and they look nice. Im just after something that works though, don't need anything shiny or fancy or coated. The hookers fit fine aside from the drivers side trans linkage hitting the collector but with the exhaust bolted up the header was moved just enough that it didn't hit plus I know there is a way to fix it by altering the linkage a bit, just never bothered. They are a pain in the ass to get in and out (have to lift the motor, take off the oil filter block) but to me its worth the money saved (im young and broke) lol. It sounds like the summit headers have a similar fit, I just need to find out if they clear the power steering box like the supercomps did.

If I didn't have headers already, maybe i'd spend more but im only replacing something I already have so I really don't want to spend too much on it. I'd rather put the saved money to stuff that I don't already have like nitrous 

[Rob C]

The super comps fit my Cuda well except the scattershield on the passenger side.

I'd do them again. The tti's are nice though.There tubes are a bit long. They could be shorter IMO.

[72bluNblu]

The Summit headers do not appear to work with power steering, too bad to, I was looking into those myself...

Make   DODGE
Model   CHALLENGER
Beginning Year   1970
Ending Year   1974
Engine Type   V8
Engine Size   5.6L/340
Engine Family   Mopar small block LA
Engine Swap   No
Drivetrain   RWD
Power Steering   No
Power Brakes   Yes
Air Conditioning   Yes
Standard Transmission Column Shift   Yes
Standard Transmission Floor Shift   Yes
Automatic Transmission Column Shift   Yes
Automatic Transmission Floor Shift   Yes

[OUTLAW]

I have Hedmans and they fit fine with p/s and around my scattersheild and block plate, running hydraulic clutch linkage so cant say if they interfere with stock linkage. The 1 5/8 should be plenty big enuff until you either blower it of gas it
oh yea they also tuck in higher than my oil pan ...LOL

[Aussie Challenger]

  You say that you are changing the heads later, some of the replacement heads take different headers than the standard heads. You could be wasting your money now. If you need to replace the headers now buy the cheapest and put your money aside for the later rebuild and buy TTi, they look good, fit good and give good power. There doesn't appear to be another header that you can  say yes to all three except TTi.   
  Just my   

[imean340]

thanks everyone. I think if I can find a cheap set of 1 5/8ths that clears power steering i'll go for em and invest my money in a much needed 750cfm carb. Right now though, the only headers I see that clear are the supercomps and TTI. I'd rather take the supercomps and save some cash and also, I already had them on my car so I already know how they fit and what needs to be done to make them fit and im ok with it.
Outlaw, are you running them on a duster? Think there would be any difference between A and E body fitment with the P/S?

[422STROKER]

I'm running the Dougs coated headers on mine.  Power steering, the biggest difference is they are only 1 5/8 tubes.  But they seem to be fine on my 422  though.  They go above the steering and fit awesome.  Thick flanges top and bottom.  There is an uncoated version as well to save sme dough.

Tom


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[asm74]

I'm running the Dougs coated headers on mine.  Power steering, the biggest difference is they are only 1 5/8 tubes.  But they seem to be fine on my 422  though.  They go above the steering and fit awesome.  Thick flanges top and bottom.  There is an uncoated version as well to save sme dough.

I second the dougs headers.  Excellent fit, very well made and great looking. 

I'm curious Tom,  what pipes are you going into?  I have a set of TTI header-back X pipes, but I don't know if they will need custom work to get them to hook up to the doug's...
 

[MJS73]

I have the Hooker Super Comps (ceramic) on my small block and the fit and finsh was great, even with PS.

Mike

[vinb]

I also have Hookers Super Comp's,  part #5115 , fit great no dents will fit with Auto , 4spd , P/S, W/O P/S, etc.
The best part is you don't need one of those right angle oil filter adapters and it clears #5 & #7 spark plug wires...

[wally426ci]

Alright, now wait a minute, How come I was under the impression that only TTI produced a SB header that went above the Drag Link until recently when Tom enlightened me with his Doug's Headers?? I am set up to get a pair this week @ $525 to my door but then i see these Hooker Super Comps...... but i think i will stick with Dougs, I HATE my Hooker SuperJunk headers from 6 or 7 years ago.

and for those who are wondering what Im speaking of: watch how awesome it is to install a header by disconnecting the steering to thread it through, then make a sharp left and catch the tie rod on the header, thats right folks, Instant Hulk Strength to bring it back ..... 

[imean340]

I think i'll stick with the supercomps and spend the extra cash. I guess I could use the 1 3/4 pipe on spray and the price is still cheaper than dougs or TTI. I already know that they fit great, clear a full size oil filter, all the plugs are easy to get to and none of the boots get burned and they clear the powersteering so I think it's best to just stick with what I had (just need a new set due to the rot/dents...god knows how old they are). Anyone know if they'll fit edelbrock heads? One day I plan to run them but im not sure if they are a w2 style or just standard smallblock mopar style head.

thanks for the advice everyone, lots of great info here!

Wally, I disconnected the drag link and oil filter block to take my hookers supercomps out but I don't know if I really HAD to disconnect the suspension, it helped me avoid scratching up the engine bay and seemed easier to do it that way. I ran them for a while and never had a problem with them getting caught on the tie rod though.

[422STROKER]

I second the dougs headers.  Excellent fit, very well made and great looking. 

I'm curious Tom,  what pipes are you going into?  I have a set of TTI header-back X pipes, but I don't know if they will need custom work to get them to hook up to the doug's...
 

I had a local place bend up something, was about 500 installed with 2 1/2" pipe, mufflers, h-pipe, and tips.  Fully welded too.  I can't see getting the TTI system for the $$$.  I'm sure it's real nice but it is $$$ too.  I got no bumps rattles or leaks.  The pipes aren't mandrel bent but hey they sound awesome and it isn't a race car either.

Tom

I agree the Supercomps are nice but they are definately more $$$ than the dougs for the coated version.  At that point I would do the TTI for the Step to get the bigger primaries.