PayPal Sux

[Moparal]

Im pretty sure they can get into your bank. They could a few yrs back

[Pistol Gripper]

Al,

According to the person I talked to at PayPal, they can't get into my bank account.  At this point, it's in the hands of a collection agency ( probably owned by PayPal ), so they can't do anything without going to court.  Still no indication that they got my certified letter.

So........

P.G.

[Pistol Gripper]

Just got the receipt for my certified letter.  I expect the harassing phone calls to start any day now.

P.G.

[bella beeze]

PAYPAL SUCKS!!!

I had a problem with paypal that many SELLERS should look out for.  I sold about $200.00 worth of parts to a customer. He was pissed off about a prior sale and desiced to dispute the sale almost 20 days after delivery. Words where exchanged and he filed a dispute with paypal. Upon doing this the guy put a very rude letter (AS IF THAT WAS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING ) and one of the 4 parts into a box and send it to me with a tracking number claiming to paypal that all the parts where inclosed. Paypal thinking it was all the items and not just a rude letter and a $15.00 part, refuned the customer the $200.00  . I have been working to recover the money for 2 months with no luck. As a tracking number was supplied and showed delivery they don't care and told me to seek funds from the customer.  Who is MIA. and eating up the fact he got away with it.   

SO BEWARE OF THIS SCAM!!! 

Was not aware of that one but let me tell you what happened to me.....

When I was in Australia I bought an ebay item from the US. I paid via paypal. I received the item but it was not authentic so lodged dispute and was
advised to return the item to the seller in the US and once received I would get a refund. Sounded easy enough. So I went to the post office and got $100 insurance and signature confirmation just to make sure as this seller had $500 US funds of my money.

I waited and waited and waited. And I was told it was never received by the US seller. Went to the post office and they could not find it or track it. The post office said I had to show proof that the item was worth to get my insurance and I would have to go and get a quote/estimate for the item.
But I could not do this as the item did not exist in Australia and could only be purchased in the US.

Anyway, did not get the insurance money from Australia Post nor my $500 US funds back from the US seller. So stopped using Ebay and paypal.
End of story!

[Katfish]

Im pretty sure they can get into your bank. They could a few yrs back

I opened a 2nd checking account with my credit union and now move money in and out as needed.  Hopefully this will protect me somewhat from deadbeat buyers. 

[ViperMan]

Was not aware of that one but let me tell you what happened to me.....

When I was in Australia I bought an ebay item from the US. I paid via paypal. I received the item but it was not authentic so lodged dispute and was
advised to return the item to the seller in the US and once received I would get a refund. Sounded easy enough. So I went to the post office and got $100 insurance and signature confirmation just to make sure as this seller had $500 US funds of my money.

I waited and waited and waited. And I was told it was never received by the US seller. Went to the post office and they could not find it or track it. The post office said I had to show proof that the item was worth to get my insurance and I would have to go and get a quote/estimate for the item.
But I could not do this as the item did not exist in Australia and could only be purchased in the US.

Anyway, did not get the insurance money from Australia Post nor my $500 US funds back from the US seller. So stopped using Ebay and paypal.
End of story!

Geez that's terrible!  I'd be cussing them out a storm!  If you're going to charge me to insure something, then you're going to pay when you lose it!  There's no way they can charge you for insurance and then not give it to you when they screw up!

Aw man I'd be blowin' my lid off at that one.  That's awful.

Jeff

[Pistol Gripper]

Been a month since I got the receipt for my letter telling them I wasn't responsible for the debt.

 

No phone call, no response letter nuttin.

P.G.

[supertuff]

yep

[ted]

its the dirt bags who we deal with trying to screw everyone.

[DanGoodman]

Been a month since I got the receipt for my letter telling them I wasn't responsible for the debt.

 

No phone call, no response letter nuttin.

P.G.

Their response is on your credit report(s) for sure 1 of them and then it will be all three. You will come to terms with them if you ever try to open a new credit account, go for a new job, try to sign up for cable etc, as I had said earlier. I had a girl when I sold her a boat that I financed through the bank, but my dmv person sent her the title and she failed on the loan, moved to Florida and sold the boat. I  had to pay the bank because I did not do the paperwork correctly. I put a collection account on her credit report. 6 years later, I got a call from her attorney to clear up the matter and I got the money + interest paid in full. You will deal with them on their terms, I am sorry to say. I do hope it works out for you.

[jeryst]

I wont use PayPal, so I'll just stop using eBay. There isnt anything I want that cant be found the old fashion way, and the same goes for selling things too. Free enterprise in this country got along for more than two hundred years before ebay, and it will continue long after ebay. Forums like CC and Moparts, and countless others can be used for the same purpose. I think that everyone should stop using ebay for one year, in protest of this decision of theirs. Maybe a significant loss of revenue would make them be a little more receptive to their customers wishes.

To me, the problem is that ebay/paypal are so focused on trying to protect buyers from bad sellers, that they are completely ignoring sellers who are being taken advantage of by bad buyers. Any time something gets as one sided as this has become, it leaves scammers an opening to take advantage of the system. Also, they base their guidelines on rules that are impossible to enforce or prove. Just like in the one example given, a buyer could buy something for $1000, then send you a pencil, and demand his money back. As long as he shows proof of shipping, and you take possession of the package, paypal and ebay feel all requirements have been met, and will give him his money back. That is totally absurd, and some type of safeguards need to be put in place to protect sellers as well.

I've always used ebays feedback as a guideline for who to buy from, and it has always worked out. If a seller has sold more than 25 items and is at 100% feedback, I feel he is safe to buy from. If he has less than 100%, I look to see what the negatives were. Ebays feedback system has always bothered me because it was always  just positive, negative, or neutral. I wrote them countless times, and suggested that they expand and refine the system, to take care of various circumstances. If a guy has a negative comment, there is a big difference between him taking too long to ship the part, and not shipping it at all. Also, some buyers are unrealistic in their expectations, they dont read the whole description or conveniently overlook certain things, etc. Where one person will overlook slow shipping, another will metion it and give a neutral, and another will immediately give a negative if its not on their doorstep in two days. I feel ebay has made a mountain out of a molehill. Provide a flexible, refined feedback system, and allow the marketplace to police itself. They are trying to be like the government, and legislate and micromanage every little thiing, when a much simpler method would be much more effective.

I wonder if eBay can be sued for only allowing PayPal as the only means of payment, since they own PayPal? Since cash is the official currency of the United States, this policy sounds like a monopolistic practice that discriminates against cash buyers, or for that matter, ANY type of other buyer. Remember when PayPal first came out? There was another service like PayPal (cant remember the name) that was bigger. ebay accepted both, but as soon as ebay bought paypal, the other would no longer be accepted, and ti just seemed to fade away. Anybody know a class action attorney that might be interested in some big bucks? He could represent every single ebay member that does not want to use PayPal. Could also represent the postal service and other money order companies, credit card companies, etc. Could be HUGE!

I just think ebay is getting "A little too big for their britches"!

[Challenger6pak]

Here is what has just happened to me with Paypal.  It is pretty much the same as everyone else.  A guy bought a manifold from me on Ebay.  He wrote me and said the water passages were bad.  I told him that I disagreed with him and had photos to prove that it was good.  If he wanted his money back he had to send the manifold back to me.  Today I got a chargeback from his credit card company.  I have spoke to Ebay and Paypal.  As I understand it everyone is forced to accept credit cards on their account because Paypal accepts them.  Money Orders, cash, and cashiers checks are not allowed.  Feedback for the seller is not allowed.  So it worked out this way for me.  I sold the manifold.  The buyer is keeping the manifold and getting his money back.  I am not allowed to even give negative feedback about the situation so everyone else can beware of this buyer. The whole system has broke down.  Everything I sell is now a risk that I won't get paid.  I could sell and pull all of my money from Paypal when it comes in.  As soon as a scammer hits me I will have a negative balance on my Paypal account and be done with Ebay.  That is my only option.  Who is going to sell on Ebay under these conditions?  I not only lost the money from the part but they also took out the shipping and sent it back to the guy.  So I paid the guy to take my manifold.

[73Chally]

File in small claims.  It is illegal for him to be refunded and keep the item.  He either has to pay you or return it, end of story.

[MEK-Dangerfield]

File in small claims.  It is illegal for him to be refunded and keep the item.  He either has to pay you or return it, end of story.

Only if you are both here in the U.S. If the item was sold out of this country, you are dead in the water.  International laws are crazy.   

[quapman]

Either way, you lose. THEY have more money and better lawyers. A friend of mine on another board just went through a similar situation. Buyer paid, claimed he never got the parts, blah, blah. Paypal rules in favor of the buyer unless you can prove they SIGNED for the package. My guy just used delivery confirmation, thinking he'd be covered. Nope. I think this is all in the legalspeak area of Pay(to be my)pal.

For extra salt in the wound, my guy PROVED that the buyer rebayed (re-sold) the parts and made an additional $300 profit. Paypal did not care.

Feebay is in the toilet, but what other venue do we have to sell parts nationwide/ worldwide?? Feebay knows this and takes full advantage.