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Offline imean340

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tranny dead?
« on: June 25, 2008 - 07:34:18 PM »
Tactransman, here are the pictures. The filter was pretty clean actually but as you can see, there was a lot of metal filings stuck to the bottom of the pan. Tranny never really had any problems prior to whatever caused the  bolts to snap off the c clamp on  the U joint in the rear (guessing something let go in the converter due to the rattling I heard from the bellhousing/converter area prior that wasn't a loose converter/flexplate bolt). However, I don't know how old the tranny is. IT has a decal on it from Freddy Brown, a pretty reputable local place but it wan't done when I owned the car (since 02) and the owner that I bought it from didn't have it done. Who knows.

 What do you think? Let me know if theres anything else I should take pics of.


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« Last Edit: June 25, 2008 - 07:37:47 PM by imean340 »
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'70 340 challenger- 69 crank and block,  bored .030 over, speed pro forged pistons, eagle forged I beam rods, 2.02/1.60 "J" heads, 3 angle valve job, 230*/230* .480/.480 110LSA cam, Eddy performer manifold, hooker supercomp 1 3/4's headers, Holley 670 street avenger, TACTRANS 727, Protorque converter, 4.56 gears, L60 M/T "I" treads, SS springs, 70/30+50/50 drag shocks---spray coming soon---




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Re: tranny dead?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2008 - 08:21:29 AM »
This pic looks like converter metal.





If you were on the gas hard when the u joint failed,the rear sprag is probably rolled over. It definitely needs to come out.




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Re: tranny dead?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2008 - 11:44:01 AM »
thanks. I punched it from off the line when it let go, but the car didn't move at all (the driveshaft gave out instantaneous before the car moved at all). Do you think I should do a full rebuild or just the sprag? Not sure how hard the sprag job is, i've never worked on a trans before but it would suck to fix the sprag and have the tranny go. On the other hand im on a real limited budget lol


I should also mention the trans has a manual valve body though im not sure if its LBA or not if that would make a difference.
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Re: tranny dead?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2008 - 11:47:37 AM »
If it is a LBA VB then the sprag will be fine. Is it reverse pattern?Is it a Cheetah,if yes then it is NOT a LBA.
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Re: tranny dead?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2008 - 12:02:47 PM »
its just a forwards manual valve body. no idea what brand (wasn't built under my ownership). Any easy way to tell if its LBA?
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Re: tranny dead?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2008 - 12:13:15 PM »
When it is running/moving,you pull it down to manual low so see if you get "engine braking". If it is a forward pattern manual VB,I wonder what brand it is . JVX is the only one that I know of that is forward manual,besides a B&M Manual Pack Shift kit. Can you post a pic of the VB so I can see it?
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Re: tranny dead?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2008 - 01:28:36 PM »
No chance of getting the car running to do that test, I know it did get engine braking when holding first gear then letting off but I don't recall downshifting from say a second gear roll down to first. All I know is the trans holds the gear you put it in including third,  wont downshift or upshift on it's own and shifts using the factory slapstick (up to second-up to third). I'll get you a pic as soon as I can. I really appreciate the help.
oh, and for what its worth there is kickdown linkage
« Last Edit: June 26, 2008 - 01:40:02 PM by imean340 »
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'70 340 challenger- 69 crank and block,  bored .030 over, speed pro forged pistons, eagle forged I beam rods, 2.02/1.60 "J" heads, 3 angle valve job, 230*/230* .480/.480 110LSA cam, Eddy performer manifold, hooker supercomp 1 3/4's headers, Holley 670 street avenger, TACTRANS 727, Protorque converter, 4.56 gears, L60 M/T "I" treads, SS springs, 70/30+50/50 drag shocks---spray coming soon---

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Re: tranny dead?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2008 - 01:44:58 PM »
If it has kickdown linkage,it might be a Transgo-3 kit. It will have a small gold plate with a slot in it bolted under the VB screws.
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Re: tranny dead?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2008 - 04:52:07 PM »
I'll snap some pics of the valvebody. Theres nothing on top under the screws, just the screws holding the valvebody in and the valvebody.
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Re: tranny dead?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2008 - 05:28:16 PM »
If it is a TF-3 kit,this is what the extra VB plate will look like.
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Re: tranny dead?
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2008 - 05:45:04 PM »
I looked carefully at it in the light, and on the spacer plate behind the valve body it says Cheetah.  :violin: Guess that means it probably rolled the sprag?
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Re: tranny dead?
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2008 - 06:16:47 PM »
It's a forward pattern,it is a manual VB (if you put it if 3rd it takes of in third or high gear) ,it had engine braking in low gear and it says Cheetah?  :clueless:
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Re: tranny dead?
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2008 - 09:13:55 PM »
This tranny has always confused me. When my dad first bought the car, I used to drive it and I SWORE it was auto...it would upshift and downshift on it's own. Im almost positive but it was a while ago. When the motor went, I did the new one at the speed shop I was working at. My boss did the tranny linkage and other misc things for me the next day after I sat the new motor in (I got sick and couldn't make it but we needed the car off the lift). He told me there was something weird about it, I just don't remember what...but he said he fixed it and ever since then it only worked as full manual. I never checked it out because I never had a problem with it, it always shifted fine although if clunked hard into reverse sometimes but not if you put it in first then reverse.  It holds every gear, including thrid. If you leave it in third, it'll take off in third. The motor was real rigged when I took it apart (mismatching connecting rods ect...) so I assume the tranny may not be any better.



As far as the engine braking, when you put in first, gun it up to redline then let it slow down, the car will slow down with what sounds like engine braking, it doesn't just roll to a stop but the motor slowly comes down sounding like its under load, slowing the car down if that's what you mean.
 Now that I think about it, SOMETIMES when I downshifted from second to first say coming to a stopsign, if I was at too high of an rpm sometimes nothing would happen and it would feel like you were still in second. But im pretty sure most of the time if you downshifted to first, it would slow the car down. I know it would always slow the car down if I put it in first, sped up and then didn't shift and let off the gas.

Im thinking if the trans is as frankenstine as the motor it's probably worth replacing it while it's all out anyway. I can't afford any more cases of part "y" breaking part "x" as it self destructs lol :working:
« Last Edit: June 26, 2008 - 09:40:22 PM by imean340 »
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'70 340 challenger- 69 crank and block,  bored .030 over, speed pro forged pistons, eagle forged I beam rods, 2.02/1.60 "J" heads, 3 angle valve job, 230*/230* .480/.480 110LSA cam, Eddy performer manifold, hooker supercomp 1 3/4's headers, Holley 670 street avenger, TACTRANS 727, Protorque converter, 4.56 gears, L60 M/T "I" treads, SS springs, 70/30+50/50 drag shocks---spray coming soon---

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Re: tranny dead?
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2008 - 08:56:26 AM »
Your VB should have one of these two part #'s engraved on it if it is a Cheetah:

Torqueflite 727,904,998,999    (PRN321)      engine braking      part #17675  (NEW!)
Torqueflite 727,904,998,999    (PRN321)   No Eng. Braking in 1st      Part #  17680
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Re: tranny dead?
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2008 - 04:34:07 PM »
13681519 is the only number I can see stamped on the valvebody. The cheetah spacer plate says 17166-92056 just under where it says cheetah.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2008 - 04:37:31 PM by imean340 »
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'70 340 challenger- 69 crank and block,  bored .030 over, speed pro forged pistons, eagle forged I beam rods, 2.02/1.60 "J" heads, 3 angle valve job, 230*/230* .480/.480 110LSA cam, Eddy performer manifold, hooker supercomp 1 3/4's headers, Holley 670 street avenger, TACTRANS 727, Protorque converter, 4.56 gears, L60 M/T "I" treads, SS springs, 70/30+50/50 drag shocks---spray coming soon---