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Top Fuel facts.....
« on: June 27, 2008 - 10:19:37 AM »
Here's some info (long read) on Top Fuel.  I didn't know that all the engines were Hemi based!  :dunno:

Facts about Top Fuel


Before their run, they do a burnout. This is done for three reasons (water is applied to initially break traction, allowing the tires to spin up). First, it heats the tires up, creating a sticky superficial layer of rubber on the tires. Secondly, it removes debris from the tires. Thirdly, and most importantly, it coats the track surface with rubber which greatly improves traction during the subsequent launch. A top fuel dragster's burnout alone can travel one quarter of the way down the track.

At top engine speed, the exhaust gases escaping from the open headers produce about 800-1000 pounds-force (3.6 kilonewtons) of downforce. The massive foil over and behind the rear wheels produces much more downforce, peaking at around 12,000 lbf (53 kN) when the car reaches a speed of about 325 mph (523 km/h).

Top Fuel dragsters are notorious for the deafening amount of noise their engines create at full throttle. They generate 120 dB of noise,[1] enough to cause some peoples' eardrums physical pain. The intense levels of sound are not only heard, but also felt as pounding vibrations all over one's body, leading many to compare the experience of watching a Top Fuel dragster make a pass to 'feeling as though the entire drag strip is being bombed'. Prior to the dragsters going down the strip, race announcers usually advise spectators to cover or plug their ears—indeed, ear plugs and even earmuffs are often handed out to fans at the entrance to a Top Fuel event.


[edit] The fuel
NHRA regulations limit the composition of the fuel to a maximum of 90% nitromethane (as of 2008); the remainder is largely methanol. However, this mixture is not mandatory, and less nitromethane can be used if desired.

Kenny Bernstein was the first drag racer in NHRA history (but not in the world) to break 300 mph (480 km/h) in the 1/4 mile in March, 1992. Bernstein took his dragster over 300 mph (480 km/h) using a mixture of 90-to-100% nitromethane at the time. Despite nitromethane having a much lower energy density (11.2 MJ/kg) than either gasoline (44 MJ/kg) or methanol (22.7 MJ/kg), its addition to the fuel mixture has the net effect of increasing engine output by around 2.3 times compared to gasoline for the same mass of air.

The high temperature of vaporization of nitromethane also means that it will absorb substantial engine heat as it vaporizes, providing an invaluable cooling mechanism. The laminar flame speed and combustion temperature are higher than gasoline at 0.5 m/s and 2400 °C respectively. Power output can be increased by using very rich air fuel mixtures. This is also something that helps prevent pre-detonation, something that is usually a problem when using nitromethane.

Due to the relatively slow burn rate of nitromethane, very rich fuel mixtures are often not fully ignited and some remaining nitromethane can escape from the exhaust pipe and ignite on contact with atmospheric oxygen, burning with a characteristic yellow flame. Additionally, after sufficient fuel has been combusted to consume all available oxygen, nitromethane can combust in the absence of atmospheric oxygen, producing hydrogen, which can often be seen burning from the exhaust pipes at night as a bright white flame. In a typical run the engine can consume as much as 103 litres (22.75 gallons) of fuel during warmup, burnout, staging, and the quarter-mile run.


 Top fuel engines
Like many other motor sport formulas originating in the United States, the NHRA favors heavy restrictions on engine configuration, rather than technological development. This restricts the teams to using many decades old technologies.
The engine used to power a Top Fuel drag racing car has its roots in the second generation Chrysler Hemi 426 "Elephant Engine" made 1964-71. Although the Top Fuel engine is built exclusively of aftermarket parts, it retains the basic configuration with two valves per cylinder activated by pushrods from a centrally-placed camshaft. The engine has hemispherical combustion chambers, a 90 degree V angle; 4.8" bore pitch and a 5.4" cam lift. The configuration is identical to the overhead valve, single camshaft-in-block "Hemi" V-8 engine which became available for sale to the public in selected Chrysler Corporation (Dodge, DeSoto, and Chrysler) automotive products in 1952.

The NHRA competition rules limit the displacement to 500 cubic inch (8194 cc). A 4.19" (106.4 mm) bore with a 4.5" (114.3 mm) stroke are customary dimensions. Larger bores have been shown to weaken the cylinder block. Compression ratio is about 6.5:1, as is common on engines with overdriven (the supercharger is driven faster than the crankshaft speed) superchargers.

The block is CNC machined from a piece of forged aluminium. It has press-fitted ductile iron liners. There are no water passages in the block which adds considerable strength and stiffness. Like the original Hemi, the racing cylinder block has a long skirt (to reduce piston "rocking" at the lower limit of piston travel); there are five main bearing caps which are fastened with aircraft-standard-rated steel studs; with additional reinforcing main studs and side bolts. There are three approved suppliers of these custom-made after-market blocks, from which the teams may choose.

The cylinder heads are CNC-machined from aluminum billets. As such, they have no water jackets and rely entirely on the incoming air/fuel mixture for their cooling. The original Chrysler design of two large valves per cylinder is used. The intake valve is made from solid titanium and the exhaust from solid Nimonic 80A or similar. Seats are of ductile iron. Beryllium-copper has been tried but its use is limited due to cost. Valve sizes are around 2.45" (62.2 mm) for the inta ke and 1.925" (48.9 mm) for the exhaust. In the ports there are integral tubes for the push rods. The heads are sealed to the block by copper gaskets and stainless steel o-rings. Securing the heads to the block is done with aircraft-rated steel studs.

The camshaft is billet steel, made from 8620 carbon steel or similar. It runs in five oil pressure lubricated bearing shells and is driven by gears in the front of the engine. Mechanical roller lifters ride atop the cam lobes and drive the steel push rods up into the steel rockers that actuate the valves. The rockers are of roller type on the intake side, high pressures on the exhaust limits its use to the intake side only. The steel roller rotates on a steel roller bearing and the steel rocker arms rotates on a titanium shaft within bronze bushings. Intake rockers are billet while the exhausts are investment cast. The dual valve springs are of coaxial type and made out of titanium. Valve retainers are also made of titanium, as are the rocker covers.

Billet steel crankshafts are used; they all have a cross plane a.k.a. 90 degree configuration and runs in five conventional bearing shells. 180 degree crankshafts have been tried and they can offer increased power, even though the exhaust is of open type. A 180 degree crankshaft is also about 10 kg lighter than 90 degree crankshaft, but they create a lot of vibration. Such is the strength of a top fuel crankshaft that in one incident, the entire engine block was split open and blown off the car during an engine failure, and the crank, with all eight connecting rods and pistons, was left still bolted to the clutch.

Pistons are of forged aluminium, 2618 alloy. They have three rings and aluminium buttons retain the 1.156" x 3.300" steel pin. The piston is anodized and Teflon coated to prevent galling during high temperature operation. The top ring is an L-shaped Dykes ring that provides a good seal during combustion but a second ring must be used to prevent oil from entering the combustion chamber during intake strokes as the Dykes-style ring offers less than optimal combustion gas sealing. The third ring is an oil scraper ring whose function is helped by the second ring. The connecting rods are of forged aluminium and do provide some shock damping, which is why a luminum is used in place of titanium, because titanium connecting rods transmit too much of the combustion impulse to the big-end rod bearings, endangering the bearings and thus the crankshaft and block. Each con rod has two bolts, shell bearings for the big end while the pin runs directly in the rod.

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Re: Top Fuel facts.....
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2008 - 10:19:50 AM »
The supercharger is a 14-71 type Roots blower. It has twisted lobes and is driven by a toothed belt. The supercharger is slightly offset to the rear to provide an even distribution of air. Absolute manifold pressure is usually 3.8-4.5 bar (56-66 PSI), but up to 5.0 bar (74 PSI) is possible. The manifold is fitted with a 200 psi burst plate. Air is fed to the compressor from throttle butterflies with a maximum area of 65 sq. in. At maximum pressure, it takes approximately 400 horsepower (300 kW) to drive the supercharger.

These superchargers are in fact derivatives of General Motors scavenging-air blowers for their two-cycle diesel engines, which were adapted for automotive use in the early days of the sport. The model name of these superchargers delineates their size; i.e. the once commonly used 6-71 and 4-71 blowers were designed for General Motors diesels having six cylinders of 71 cubic inches each, and four cylinders of 71 cubic inches each, respectively. Thus, the currently used 14-71 design can be seen to be a huge increase in power delivery over the early designs.

Mandatory safety rules require a secured Kevlar-style blanket over the supercharger assembly as "blower explosions" are not uncommon. The absence of a protective blanket exposes the driver, team and spectators to shrapnel in the event that nearly any irregularity in the induction of the air/fuel mixture, the conversion of combustion into rotating crankshaft movements, or in the exhausting of spent gasses is encountered.

The oil system has a wet sump which contains 16 quarts of SAE 70 mineral or synthetic racing oil. The pan is made of titanium or aluminium. Titanium can be used to prevent oil spills in the event of a blown rod. Oil pressure is somewhere around 160–170 lbf/in² during the run, 200 lbf/in² at start up, but actual figures differs between teams.

Fuel is injected by a constant flow injection system. There is an engine driven mechanical fuel pump and about 42 fuel nozzles. The pump can flow 100 gallons per minute at 8000 rpm and 500 PSI fuel pressure. In general 10 injectors are placed in the injector hat above the supercharger, 16 in the intake manifold and two per cylinder in the cylinder head. Usually a race is started with a leaner mixture, then as the clutch begins to tighten as the engine speed builds, the air/fuel mixture is enriched. As engine speed builds pump pressure the mixture is made leaner to maintain a predetermined ratio that is based on many factors, one of which is primary one of race track surface friction. The stoichiometry of both methanol and nitromethane is considerably greater than that of racing gasoline, as they have oxygen atoms attached to their carbon chains and gasoline does not. This means that a "fueler" engine will provide power over a very broad range from very lean to very rich mixtures. Thus, to attain maximum performance, before each race, by varying the level of fuel supplied to the engine, the mechanical crew may select power outputs barely below the limits of tire traction. Power outputs which create tire slippage will "smoke the tires" and the race is often lost.

The air/fuel mixture is ignited by two 14 mm spark plugs per cylinder. These plugs are fired by two 44-ampere magnetos. Normal ignition timing is 58-65 degrees BTDC. (This is dramatically greater spark advance than in a gasoline engine as "nitro" and alcohol burn far slower.) Directly after launch the timing is typically decreased by about 25 degrees for a short time as this gives the tires time to reach their correct shape. The ignition system limits the engine speed to 8400 rpm. The ignition system provides initial 50,00 0 volts and 1.2 amperes. The long duration spark (up to 26 degrees) provides energy of 950 millijoules. The plugs are placed in such a way that they are cooled by the incoming charge. The ignition system is not allowed to respond to real time information (no computer-based spark lead adjustments), so instead a timer-based retard system is used.

The engine is fitted with open exhaust pipes, 2.75" in diameter and 18" long. These are made of steel and fitted with thermocouples for measuring of the exhaust temperature. They are called "zoomies" and exhaust gases are directed upward and backwards. Exhaust temperature is about 260 °C at idle and 980 °C by the end of a run. A night run provides visual excitement with slow-burning nitromethane flames many feet above this screaming spectacle of acceleration. A "good run" is over in just 4.5 seconds, the noise ends, and braking parachutes are seen in the distance, after a speed of over 325 miles per hour has been reached.

The engine is warmed up for about 80 seconds. After the warm up the valve covers are taken off, oil is changed and the car is refueled. The run including tire warming is about 100 seconds which results in a "lap" of about three minutes. After each lap, the entire engine is disassembled and examined, and worn or damaged components are replaced.


[edit] Performance
Measuring the power output of a top fuel engine directly is not feasible. This is not, as is sometimes stated, because no dynamometer exists that can measure the output of a Top Fuel Engine; in reality, dynamometers capable of measuring tens of thousands of horsepower at the appropriate shaft speeds are in widespread use. Rather, it is because a Top Fuel engine cannot be run at its maximum power output for more than about 10 seconds at a time without overheating (or perhaps exploding) as would be necessary to take a reliable power reading. Instead, the power output of the engine is usually calculated based upon the car's weight and its performance. The calculated Power output of these engines is most likely somewhere between 7000 and 8300 horsepower (approximately 4500-6000 kilowatts), with a torque output of 5100–6750 N·m (3760–4980 lbf·ft) and a brake mean effective pressure of 80–100 bar (0.8–1.0 MPa).

For the purposes of comparison, a 2008 SSC Ultimate Aero, the world's fastest production automobile, produces 1,183 bhp (882 kW) horsepower and 1094 lbf·ft (1483 N·m) torque.


[edit] Engine weight
Block with liners 85 kg
Heads 18 kg each
Crankshaft 37 kg
Complete engine 225 kg.

[edit] Mandatory safety equipment
Much of organized drag-racing is sanctioned by the National Hot Rod Association. Since 1955, the Association has held regional and national events (typically organized as single elimination tournaments, with the winner of each two car race advancing) and has set rules for safety, with the more powerful cars requiring ever more safety equipment.

Typical safety equipment for contemporary top fuel dragsters: full face helmets with fitted HANS devices; multi-point, quick release safety restraint harness; full body fire suit made of Nomex or similar material, complete with face mask, gloves, socks and shoes, all made of fire-resistant materials; on board fire extinguishers; kevlar or other synthetic "bullet-proof" blankets around the superchargers and clutch assemblies to contain broken parts in the event of failure or explosion; damage resistant fuel tank, lines, and fittings; externally accessible fuel and ignition shut-offs (built to be accessible to rescue staff); braking parachutes; and a host of other equipment, all built to the very highest standards of manufacturing. Any breakthrough or invention that is likely to contribute to driver, staff, and spectator safety is likely to be adopted as a mandated rule fo r competition. The forty year history of NHRA has provided hundreds of examples of safety upgrades.

In 2000, the NHRA mandated the maximum concentration of nitromethane in a car's fuel be no more than 90%. In the wake of a Gateway International Raceway fatality in 2004, the fuel ratio was reduced to 85%. Complaints from teams in regards to cost, however, has resulted in the rule being rescinded starting in 2008, when the fuel mixture returns to 90%, as NHRA team owners, crew chiefs, and suppliers complained about mechanical failures that can result in oildowns or more severe crashes caused by the reduced nitromethane mixture. [2]

The NHRA also mandated that different rear tires be used (in both Top Fuel and Funny Car) to try to prevent them from failing and that a titanium "shield" be attached around the back-half of the roll-cage in Top Fuel Dragsters (although some Funny Car teams adopted this) to prevent any debris from entering the cockpit.

At present, final drive ratios lower than 3.20 (3.2 engine rotations to one rear axle rotation) are prohibited, in an effort to limit top speed potential, thus reducing the perceived level of danger.

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Re: Top Fuel facts.....
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2008 - 11:28:23 AM »
couple of cool pics I took at the Route 66 Nationals a few weeks ago. If you get the chance try to make an NHRA national event. It's pretty cool to cruise the pits and check stuff out even if you aren't a fan of the sport.
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2008 - 12:56:03 PM »
Thanks for info SuperBlue.  I was aware of some of the technology behind the TF engines, but this was in much greater depths.

Anyone who's never seen Top Fuel or Funny Car - it's one of those things that has to been experienced to be understood.  The line about being able to feel the vibrations across one's entire body is literally true.  And the acceleration is unlike anything you've ever seen.  TV cannot convey the reality of the experience.  :eek2:
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Re: Top Fuel facts.....
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008 - 03:07:20 PM »

One top fuel dragster 500C.I. Hemi engine makes more horsepower than the first 4 rows at the Daytona 500
 
Under full throttle, a top fuel dragster engine consumes 1-1/2 gallons of nitromethane per second;a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced.

A stock 426 Hemi cannot produce enough power to drive the dragsters supercharger.

With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition.Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.

At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitromethane the flame front temperture measures 7050 degrees F.

Nitromethane burns yellow.The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen,dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.

Duel magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug.this is the output of a arc welder in each cylinder.

Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass.After !/2 way the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of the exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow.

Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed reading this sentence!  :grinyes:

Top fuel engines ture approximately 540 revolutions from light to light!

Including the burnout the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under load!

Putting all this is perspective:you are ridding the average $250,000 Honda Moto GP bike .Over a mile up the road,a top fuel dragster is staged and ready to launch down a !/4 mile stripas you pass.you have the advantageof a flying start.You run the RC211V hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line and past the dragster at an ,honest 200MPH (293 ft/sec).The "tree"goes green for both of you at that moment.The dragster launches and starts after you.You keep your wrist cranked hard,but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums and within 3 seconds the dragster catches and passes you! He beats you to thefinish line,a quater mile away from where you just passed him.Think about it,from a standing start,the dragster had spotted you 200MPH andnot only caught,but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 FT race course! 
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Re: Top Fuel facts.....
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2008 - 07:39:14 PM »
Great facts, guys.  I was talking with someone at work about NHRA Top Fuel the other day.  I told him the same thing, TV cannot convey any sense of the power of these things.  I told him it hits you in the chest like a heavywieght punch when they take off.  I've only  been to a couple of Top Fuel events but I can say this, it is absolutely unforgettable. 

Also, those drivers know who pays for their salaries - the fans.  These guys get it.  They hang out in the pits, talk with the fans, sign autographs until their hands hurt.  One event I was at, the track shut down for a little while so they could dry the track.  John Force was in the staging lane long with one of the other top drivers (I think it was a Kallita).  Force climbed out of his car, flagged down a guy on a scooter, hopped on the scooter, and drove over to the stands to talk with the fans and sign autographs. He spent the next half-hour building up the NHRA fan base like no other professional atheletes do.  Needless to say, his stock rose greatly in my book that day.  He could have easily gone back to his luxury trailer and waited like a primadona but instead he chose to make a bunch of little kids (and their Dads) days.  Guarantee you, a bunch of them bought John Force memorabilia that day.
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Re: Top Fuel facts.....
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2008 - 10:22:28 PM »
I've only heard good things about John Force.  :grinyes:  I met him at Tasca Ford last year and seemed like a genuinely nice guy.  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2008 - 11:31:17 PM »
Great work SB! :2thumbs:

I think you just made Wikipedia status!!! :grinyes:

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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2008 - 04:28:31 AM »
Geeze, thanks but I can't take credit for copying and pasting...  :lol:
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Re: Top Fuel facts.....
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2008 - 01:03:25 AM »
A stock 426 Hemi cannot produce enough power to drive the dragsters supercharger.

I have seen this elsewhere, and thought it was wrong.  Can someone please explain in a little detail why this is true?  Thanks
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2008 - 08:17:34 PM »
Actually those numbers are a little outdated, talking with a crewmember on one of the fuel teams, the computed power used to drive the blower is around 1000 now. The blower is overdriven in relation to the engine rpm. Using google, I found this info on another site:

Maximum 50 percent supercharger overdrive

When the maximum nitromethane percentage was lowered in the middle of last year from 90 to 85, engine torque (the very thing that is so important in making a car accelerate) was severely reduced.

Tuners compensated by increasing the fuel volume, which they were able to do because they radically increased blower speed. The maximum overdrive Coil used on 90 percent was 37 percent. At one time last year he was over 47 percent blower overdrive on 85 percent nitro.

Said Ray Alley, NHRA director of Top Fuel and Funny Car racing, "Good side-by-side racing is compromised when the tuners turn the blowers really fast; they tend to knock the belt off.

"Almost everything we do has some aspect of safety, some aspect of maintenance ofthe engine, and good racing. But we also want a balance between the haves and have-nots; some teams have blower dynos and some don't. So if one of the less well-heeled cars needed a little more blower speed than a Force or a Kalitta because their blowers are not as sharp, they could use it."

Because the rpm and overdrive limits were set at the very upper range of what fuel tuners were already doing, there has been no rethinking of the tune-up by those who tune cars in the two premier classes of NHRA Drag Racing.

So 8000 engine rpm can = up to 12000 blower pulley rpm if my math is right.

For comparitive purposes, say you start your 5 speed car in 5th gear from a dead stop or your 21 speed bicycle in 21st gear from a dead stop, it's very very hard to do and that is just to turn the thing. Then there is the drag from the teflon seals that keep the air moving and the rotors sealed to each other plus I'm sure there are other forces at work once you start building pressure in the intake manifold.

Someone with more background could explain it better but that is how I understand it...
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2008 - 10:33:30 PM »
Very interesting, but I am still a little confused.  I understand the supercharger is overdriven and it takes a bunch of power to turn it when the engine is at full throttle, so no problem there.  But how much power does it take to turn the engine at idle.  I am asking this because would it not be possible to crank the motor up to idle speed and leave it there?  I mean once the engine is starting to turn over, the added air being pushed into the cylinders would give it enough power to crank?  :clueless:  I understand there would be a bunch of other factors involved, like compression and internal strength.  I am not trying to be a pain by asking this, I am just confused.

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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2008 - 02:11:25 PM »
Very interesting, but I am still a little confused.  I understand the supercharger is overdriven and it takes a bunch of power to turn it when the engine is at full throttle, so no problem there.  But how much power does it take to turn the engine at idle.  I am asking this because would it not be possible to crank the motor up to idle speed and leave it there?  I mean once the engine is starting to turn over, the added air being pushed into the cylinders would give it enough power to crank?  :clueless:  I understand there would be a bunch of other factors involved, like compression and internal strength.  I am not trying to be a pain by asking this, I am just confused.

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That's a good question, since you put it that way, maybe the "426 hemi can't turn the blower" is more of a general statement, I bet you are right that it could turn it at idle. The starter is used on the front of the blower when they fire the engines probably just for convenience. IMO I think the point of the article quoted originally was to imply how crazy these cars are more than a scientific study.
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2008 - 04:04:53 PM »
That's a good question, since you put it that way, maybe the "426 hemi can't turn the blower" is more of a general statement, I bet you are right that it could turn it at idle. The starter is used on the front of the blower when they fire the engines probably just for convenience. IMO I think the point of the article quoted originally was to imply how crazy these cars are more than a scientific study.

Ok, sometimes I get a little too critical on statements about cars.   :2thumbs:
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