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Offline NoMope Greg

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Re: Newbie from Dodge
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2008 - 04:30:48 PM »
KZ, No offense but are you sure you joined the right board????:clueless:

Will, welcome aboard.  It's nice to see Chrysler opening an avenue to listen to their most dedicated fans.

I agree in part with KZ.  It's not that offering 425 hp cars requiring premium gas doesn't make much sense - somebody wants to buy them and it's cost-effective to offer them, it makes sense to offer it.  They're halo products - designed to get feet in the showroom that might be interested in the same car with the 3.5L.  What doesn't make sense is not offering anything except the Caliber ( :eek4:) that gets 35+ mpg highway and runs on regular gas.  We've heard there's a hybrid truck on the horizon  :ylsuper: but we've heard nothing about anything next-generation on the economy end.

And of course he joined the right board.  It's a board dedicated to 40 year old cars and he has one.
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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2008 - 05:27:42 PM »
Ya know, I had a long response written but it will just hijack the thread so I'll just be quiet and let it go.  Thanks for joining Will. 
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« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2008 - 12:10:59 AM »
Will:
Welcome to the board.  Your profile suggests that you are with BBDO, which is one of the advertising agencies used by Chrysler. 

Not that it matters, but did Chrysler commision you to solicit input and opinions?  I know you said you wanted to hear feedback, but I hope that Chrysler really asked for input, because this is the home of many Challenger experts, and really a knowledge base of people who understand what the car is all about.  I hope they genuinely are interested to know what the core market is calling for (although that is sometimes different than what people are willing to PAY for).

Anyway, enjoy your time here.  We welcome the opportunity to provide input, even if it is just on the commercial side of things!

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« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2008 - 12:07:26 PM »
No offense taken,

but Dodge Newbie was interested in feedback, suggestions, opinions, etc. Just because I own a 1970 Challenger RT/SE, doesn't mean I will walk lockstep with the company or the way that company is being managed or the products they are or are not producing......Check out this article on Chrysler

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2008-06-30-chryslerproduction_N.htm

I personally like the new 300C, Charger and Challenger models, but an automobile company in this day and age that's lifeline is dependent on minivans, SUV's or trucks is a recipe for disaster IMHO, sure they love the profit margins on these vehicles but again, IMHO Chrysler isn't and hasn't, been doing enough in the other auto sectors, e.g. compact, passenger, etc. Can't Chrysler compete at that level?  I am a simple man, I don't claim to know it all, but haven't we seen this scenario in the past? Years of neglecting product lines had resulted in a plummeting market share, dwindling profits, and the inevitability of bankruptcy.  Chrysler had to be bailed out by Uncle Sam. Not to pick on Chrysler because the other "American" automobile companies, i.e. Ford and GM are just about as bad. They, and we, haven't learned squat from the early 70's. Not sure how many people in this forum are old enough to remember the oil embargo and long gas lines of the 70's but it wasn't a real fun time, perhaps they would think different if they actually experienced it. 35 yrs later and we STILL are on the oil nipple! We haven't demanded enough from our elected officials to push for REAL changes in minimum MPG's, alternative fuels, etc. and look at how many foreign car companies there now that have taken away market share because they have been willing to adapt.   I've blabbed enough....

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« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2008 - 12:50:27 PM »
In regards to mileage, I will add that my 06' RAM with the Cummins Turbo Diesel and 6 speed trans gets 20-22mpg on the highway and 16 city.  Not too bad for a 7,500lb truck (after a few "tweaks" of course).  If only diesel was $2.79/gallon again...


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« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2008 - 01:35:35 PM »
Thanks everyone so much for the warm response... It's much appreciated.
 

New Zealand??? Do you know of the Flight of the Conchords???  Love those guys... and thanks, I enjoy what I do.

I usually log in a few times over the weekend but this weekend was my kid sisters grad party so I was very busy helping set up, but like I said I am overwhelmed with the warm welcomes.  Thanks so much.  As for the shipping schedules for any of the '08s or other vehicles, that I do not get to see :dunno:

1. http://www.dodge.com/en/2009/challenger/ ... enjoy! As for insider info, this is where I show my true colors as I can only comment on officially announced information, which sometimes I get a little sooner than most.

2. From where I sit, no signs from Chrysler point to a new Cuda.

3. No Salukis here that I know of.  But if I come across one I'll be sure to let you know.

Okay, feel free to laugh because it is pretty funny, but I roll in a '96 T&C... I won't go into too much detail but I'll say this much... $0 car payment + plenty of room for friends = great times... for now atleast.



Thanks Will,

I know some of them used to work on some of the projects.

Chrysler is the only company I have not worked for in Detroit area.  Wish I had been able to do that.  I have worked for Chevrolet and for Ford.  Just have not found the right oppertunity yet with Chrysler.  I have loved them since I was real little and my dad had some really nice cars.

thanks for any updates you can give.  I am really thinking about either the 09 Challenger SE or RT.  Wish there was a way of putting some of the options on the se that I really want.  I am in Iraq right now and will be over here until Feb next year.  I may come back for a 2nd year unless a good offer comes along.

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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2008 - 12:52:55 PM »
It doesn't have to be a compact, I was referring to sedans as well, Honda's Accord and Toyota's Camry have dominated the market for well over a decade, why? there must be some reason, are all of those consumers just stupid? I doubt it, they are finding good overall build quality, resale value, etc. for their $. The Accord has been on Car and Driver magazine's 10 Best list more than any other vehicle—a remarkable 21 times in the last 25 years. Meanwhile, here is GM http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/2008/07/shrinking_gm_pa.html nearly bankrupt and Ford and Chrysler are just as guilty, continuing to place too much emphasis on trucks, SUV's etc. instead of being more competitive at the car level AND in developing alternative methods to ME oil. It is unacceptable and inexcuseable for the "Big 3" to have gone from being top dogs to bottom feeders in such a relatively short span of time. Not all of it, but certainly alot of it is due to poor build quality, too expensive, paying their CEO's and unions too much $ etc. I can't speak for anyone else on this forum but for me, my Mopar is a hobby, not a daily driver. I drive a 1995 Ford Escort as a grocery getter, I get darn near 40 MPG/gal, take mass transit, walk and bike everywhere I need to go. I love this country but alot of the problem with our current situation is of our own doing, that's the truth, no one likes to hear that, there are certainly alot of other factors involved but for the years of gluttony, we are now paying the price, we didn't get into this overnight, and we aren't getting out of it overnight. It will interesting to watch going forward just how many of the SRT's sell, and once purchased, have to be resold because the insurance, fuel costs etc are just too high. I doubt if Chysler will sell enough to make positive earnings, if their goal is to design and sell muscle cars to us baby boomers then fine, that small segment of the public will eat it up, but that's not a long term plan for success, they are already way down the food chain, they have to do more than jut make a few thousand muscle cars to become a true player again, just my .02 worth.......to be continued for sure

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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2008 - 03:14:54 PM »
Welcome Will!

I've already expressed my displeasure on this forum about Chrysler taking up the rear in the hybrid/alternative fuel arena. IMHO, Chrysler is dead last with even the duds from GM and FORD offering hybrids to the public. Honda and Toyota are kicking EVERYONE's butts, just like they were doing in the early 70's when we had the gas lines, and oil embargos. I would REALLY like to see Chrysler take the bull by the horns and be forward thinking in the alternative energy dept. We all love (well, most of us love) the new designs (300C, Charger, Challenger) but offering 425 + HP cars (requiring premium gas) when gas is rapidly approaching $5/gallon doesn't make much sense to me.

You bring up a good point and to that extent, from what I have seen over at Chrysler, there is a push to moving towards alternative fuel and providing better gas economy.  A good example of that would be the 2 mode hybrid powertrain which they are making available for the '09 Durango, Aspen, and then '10 Ram.  The joint venture with BMW, GM, and Diamler set the stage for high power (425 + HP), fuel efficient technology which Chrysler has announced will be looking to incorporate with their car lineup in the future.  IMHO this is a good start, but they do have a long road ahead of them (no pun intended).

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Re: Newbie from Dodge
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2008 - 12:22:58 AM »
It's not like Chrysler doesn't know how to make small cars that get good mileage. Remember the Horizon and the Daytona and the little Charger? I had a 86 Turbo Z and it was a cool little car to drive, never left me stranded and it got great mileage. I currently use a '92 Daytona Iroc V-6 as my DD and it has over 200K on the odometer and everything still works. To be honest, I liked the Turbo 4 banger in the old Daytona better than the Mitsu V-6.

They did it better than everyone else before everyone else did it, and there's no reason they can't do it again (Of course along with the Hemi Chally :2thumbs:) They need to start with something lighter than the Caliber. It's tough to compete with 45 mpg cars with something that heavy and un-aerodynamic.
Something that doesn't look as weird as the Toyota Prius but gets the same mileage. As for me, I'd be alot more inclined to buy a foreign made car if the only 3 I've owned in my life didn't all leave on flatbeds because of catastophic engine failures.
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Re: Newbie from Dodge
« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2008 - 03:46:51 AM »
I am waiting for an alternative that makes sense ,
 Burning coal to make electricity is not efficient or clean , battery technology is the biggest issue so far , batteries are hugely unenvironmentally UNfriendly , electric car have virtually no heat for the passengers as well which may not be an issue to some , so far Gas is still the most effcient & cleanest technology , I can get a 440 to get mid 20 MPG while this new under powered overweight cars with tons of technology barely beat that

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Re: Newbie from Dodge
« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2008 - 12:50:54 PM »
Will:

Not to beat dead horsepower here but the 2009 Chrysler Aspen and Dodge Durango HEMI Hybrid vehicles are Chrysler's first entries in the hybrid market!!?? And then in '10 the Ram!!?

Hello Chrysler!!!

Where are the passenger vehicles with hybrid technology??? Why not introduce your hybrid technology into cars first?? Somebody slap me already because I just don't get it. Starting off your hybrid choices by putting them in your biggest vehicles is a Barnum and Bailey shell game, 25% more efficiency will take the Durango's highway mileage from an overly optomistic 17 MPG to a whopping 21 MPG which is probably calculated going downhill with a tailwind. Seems to me Chrysler has thrown in the towel when it comes to being competitive in the passenger car dept. All the other major players are making hybrids for their customers, yet Chysler decides to go with trucks and SUV's = gas guzzlers.   I am speechless!

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« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2008 - 02:24:42 PM »
Hi Will,

I'm not going to jump on the fuel economy issue this time because whereas it is a very important issue, it's an awfully tough topic for ONE person to address.

Can you just answer this question for me?  I read rumor that Chryser's new owners were going to abandon the Viper at the end of it's current model run.  Can you provide some insight to the future of the Viper?  I'm honestly curious because I'm wondering how much time I have to purchase a used one before prices skyrocket.

Thanks for the answer, and than you very much for finding us and getting involved.  These members have Chrysler blood running in most of their veins and we may become bullish from time to time, but it's only because we're extremely passionate about the past, present and future of the Chrysler Family of fine vehicles.

Welcome, and please, stop by often.

AND BUY A REAL MOPAR, WOULD'JA!!

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Re: Newbie from Dodge
« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2008 - 02:37:57 PM »
While I agree with your sentiment that Chrysler, and in fact all major auto makers could be doing more to placate the hybrid market, and present more alternatives to fuel efficiency (how about just lightening up the cars guys?) , there is also a marketing reality that they are facing.  Chrysler not only continues to build SUV's to meet market demands, but in large part is responsible for the phenomenon.  With a marketing success such as that, can you really expect them to turn their back on it to attempt to break into a market that they have little/no success and experience in?  

In order for any alternative fuel solution to make sense, two things have to happen.  1) driving habits have to change substantially.  So much fuel is lost to bad driving behaviors than almost any other factor (speeding, hard launches, hard stops, poor shift timing etc.).  2) People have to shed the false belief that "Higher and heavier = safer."  SUV's are no safer vehicles than passenger cars; it's first level physics (look up newtons second law).
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Re: Newbie from Dodge
« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2008 - 01:14:03 PM »
Hi Will,

I'm not going to jump on the fuel economy issue this time because whereas it is a very important issue, it's an awfully tough topic for ONE person to address.

Can you just answer this question for me?  I read rumor that Chryser's new owners were going to abandon the Viper at the end of it's current model run.  Can you provide some insight to the future of the Viper?  I'm honestly curious because I'm wondering how much time I have to purchase a used one before prices skyrocket.

Thanks for the answer, and than you very much for finding us and getting involved.  These members have Chrysler blood running in most of their veins and we may become bullish from time to time, but it's only because we're extremely passionate about the past, present and future of the Chrysler Family of fine vehicles.

Welcome, and please, stop by often.

AND BUY A REAL MOPAR, WOULD'JA!!

Jeff

Since the sale of Chrysler to Cerberus, we've seen a lot of change.  With respect to the Viper being on it's final model year, I cannot confirm that.  As far as I know, and unfortunately, even from the (limited) inside view I have, I cannot say one way or another if this will come to be the case.  However, as soon as I hear anything that refutes or affirms this rumor, I will be sure to make mention of it here.

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« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2008 - 03:18:24 PM »
Since the sale of Chrysler to Cerberus, we've seen a lot of change.  With respect to the Viper being on it's final model year, I cannot confirm that.  As far as I know, and unfortunately, even from the (limited) inside view I have, I cannot say one way or another if this will come to be the case.  However, as soon as I hear anything that refutes or affirms this rumor, I will be sure to make mention of it here.

Will

Bah - what good is insider information when you're only so far inside?!

Nah I'm just joking with you.  My only hope is that you'll indeed live up to your word.  My intention is to hold out as long as possible before buying a used Viper so that I can do so with minimal lending.  However, I know that the moment Chrysler announces the end of the Viper, prices will skyrocket overnight.  I hope to remain one step ahead of, well, everyone - so that I can close the deal on my Viper the day BEFORE that announcement is made.

Thanks, Will.  I greatly appreciate your reply.

Jeff
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