E body fuel economy surprise

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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2008 - 10:53:46 AM »
What I found interesting was that on my last 'Cuda trip, I average about 14 miles-per-gallon on the highway doing around 65-70 mph, but when I dropped to 40-50 mph on back roads, I got 19.7 MPG! 

My Stratus still gets 28-29 MPG on the highway though, with 98 thousand miles on the odo.

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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2008 - 01:16:55 PM »
I never gave fuel economy a thought when I started restoring my Challenger but at todays prices it's nice to get a pleasant surprise when your car does better than you expected.

 I took my '70 Challenger R/T SE out for it's first extended drive since I finished restoring it up into my elk hunting country near home ( paved roads only of course ) and in 150 miles of driving 40-65 MPH my 440 six pack with 3.55 gears and a 4 speed got 14.3 MPG.  I have a pretty good cam and everything so I was pretty impressed, granted I wasn't getting on it too much but is this pretty common?

 I took some pretty good pictures of the car I'd post in the pic thread but I can't get them in because it says they're too big? beyond me but if someone can tell me how to fix it ,or I can email them to you and if you can post them if you know how and want to.

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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2008 - 01:26:08 PM »
AS Moper said  , Quench ideal timing & carb tuning & only in cruise mode , the loud pedal quickly drops the average

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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2008 - 01:57:18 PM »
Milage?? Whats that?? Maybe 12-13 hwy............... City pppphhhhhtttttt!

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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2008 - 10:00:36 PM »
my 70 cuda 440 +6 -4 speed dana 4.10.gets an easy 18.5 mpg .i spent two weeks on the chassis blueprinted . 29.5 tires i use air pressure to even up the role out front and rear new generation ford trans fluid and i also use a 340 center carb . this package runs 12.28 at 121 mph at texas motorplex . 131 on the back straight at texas motor speedway stock 906 heads and seats actual 10.0 compression .o i forgot the tires are hard rubber and at the tracks i leave off idle no tire spin and shift at 5.000 to run these times .

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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2008 - 11:19:41 PM »
 I think most of our cars are tuned fairly good, I get 14-15 mpg unless its PLAY time, then it might be 6-7. Who cares that is why some of us build them. BUZZARD :canada:

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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2008 - 12:44:22 AM »
OK.  So why do the new and great econoboxes barely squeeze out more mpg's?  My wifes 01 stratus (4 door) squeaks out 23 mpg in town (with the air on). 
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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2008 - 01:11:58 AM »
she gets 23mpg because the air is on.add another 15% to mpg with air off.


i watched a test that top gear did, the small hybrid (i think prius) vs BMX m3 . they wanted to just do a normal drive around the track and the prius was infront. bmw just had to keep up. well the prius got 17mpg!!!! compared to the bmx that got 19mpg!!!! v8 vs a hybrid!!!! i was shocked when i saw it. its all about how u drive. best full enconomy is building up kinetic energy slowly meaning accelerating slow. less gas used. also coasting, u will be suprised how far u can coast on a squirt of gas!!

also 440s that get 18mpg i think alittle bull. i have never seen a 440 motor get anywhere close to 18mpg. unless your doing 10mph. my stock 350 in my chevelle gets 16mpg and thats me milking it. 3000lb car, so i think u need to redo the calculations.


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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2008 - 01:40:18 AM »
the reason the milage is no better is simple x amount of fuel make x amount of BTU , & even the most efficient engine still needs close to teh same amount of fuel to make the same HP so unless the cars get extremely slippery as in under .29 CD that the Charger Daytona had or very light you cannot do a lot better
 I generally do not post real MPG figure that I have calculated properly because there is always someone like you who says it can`t be done , honestly I don`t care if you believe me anyway

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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2008 - 07:28:12 AM »

also 440s that get 18mpg i think alittle bull. i have never seen a 440 motor get anywhere close to 18mpg. unless your doing 10mph. my stock 350 in my chevelle gets 16mpg and thats me milking it. 3000lb car, so i think u need to redo the calculations.



I have had 2 cars with 440s that would consistently get 17-20 MPG while being used as daily drivers.
One was a 69 Sport Satellite with an auto and the original 2.76 posi.  I was young and poor and had to watch my gas money, so I figured mileage every week.
The second was a 64 Plymouth SportFury with a 69 hp 440, cheap headers, stock intake, small Holley and a 2.76 peg leg rear.
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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2008 - 07:26:12 AM »
my stock 350 in my chevelle gets 16mpg and thats me milking it. 3000lb car, so i think u need to redo the calculations.



There is more to making mileage work for you than just displacement and weight. Granted, it will take always less fuel to feed 200 cubic inches than it will to feed 500 cubic inches, but it is entirely possible to increase the efficiency of a bigger engine while minimizing it in a smaller engine and you end up with equal fuel consumption.

I've got 100 cubic inches and 1000 pounds over your Chevelle, yet I can match your mileage easily because I am also producing 150-200 pound feet more torque than your 350, which means I have to use very little throttle angle to get my truck moving and keep it there. It also comes in right off idle and steadily increases up to my cruise rpm. So while I'm running down the highway at 65 mph, my engine is operating at its peak efficiency range.

By the way, torque values directly correlate to volumetric efficiency. The the more torque you design your engine to produce, the more efficiently you use the fuel. This is why the OEMs have to compromise; the build cars for everyone from joey speed racer to grandma gerttie and jim bob trucker. They have to have a design that is compromised to suite all of them at altitudes ranging from sea level to mountain tops. As hot rodders, we can build engines that suit specific applications so we can maximize their output to suit those purposes, whether they are higher rpm horsepower or low down towing grunt and can do so specific to the area we live in.

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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2008 - 07:49:28 AM »



As usual, well said and worded Tony (HP2).  :2thumbs:
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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2008 - 11:03:58 PM »
Thanks Carl.   :2thumbs:

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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2008 - 12:29:35 PM »
I'm surprised that people actually calculate fuel mileage.   Since I put on so few miles it doesn't matter.  I'm guessing it is real bad  :scared: although it might be better than my '92 Ford F250 HD that has a 460.
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Re: E body fuel economy surprise
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2008 - 07:55:33 PM »
my stock 350 in my chevelle gets 16mpg and thats me milking it. 3000lb car, so i think u need to redo the calculations.




My daily driver, a 51 year old Chevy truck with a 10:1 350 with a 650 four barrel, T5 overdrive stick out of an S-10, and a 3.08 geared 12 bolt got 17 mpg the last time I calculated it.  I wasn't babying it either, I was going down the freeway between 75-80.  It had no vacuum advance or thermostat.  (Long story....  ::))

I have since replaced the distributor, hooked up the vacuum advance.  Still no thermostat, but when I get one in I'll recalculate it again.  I'm hoping to beat the gas mileage of a comparable brand new Chevy truck.
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