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E85 Conversion
« on: August 04, 2008 - 09:05:05 AM »
Ok, as promised, here's the article I wrote for Drag News in 06.

Part 1

“Moonshine”  Racing
By Mike Tritle


Looking out a motel window at the corner gas station only to see a higher price every 20 minutes can be quite unnerving for a traveling rep 300 miles from home driving a 12 mile per gallon 4x4 pickup truck.  As Katrina remnants passed through Indiana that day, regular unleaded gasoline prices skyrocketed from $2.89 per gallon to $3.59 in just over an hour.  Thoughts of  the higher cost of my trip to low car counts at events to what would happen to the price of race gas went through the heads of more than a few sportsman competitors during the weeks ahead as evidenced by then very active bandwidth overloaded message boards across the internet.  For this racer/sales rep/would be writer, it spawned an idea not only for day to day consumption but for our favorite pastime as well.

For more than a few years some grades of gasoline have been mixed with ethanol, essentially “moonshine” only refined legally for use as motor fuel.  When mixed 9 to 1 or 10%, fuel economy is virtually unaffected and in some cases power and mileage actually improve.  Add to that the benefit of acting as a fuel system drier and cleaner, the added ethanol eliminates the need for other additives to perform similar functions.  Octane is boosted as well which probably contributes to the increased performance of computer controlled fuel injected engines.  A word of caution, however, using even 10% in an aged fuel system where it has not been used previously will scrub any varnish and scale out of the tank and into the fuel filter in just a few miles.  Be prepared to change that filter soon after the first use of gasohol in an older vehicle!

More recently blends of up to 85% ethanol and 15% regular unleaded gasoline, or E85, have become available, especially in the Midwest agricultural states.  Manufactures designated specially equipped models as Flex Fuel Vehicles and made them available in the late 90’s and early 21st century.  These cars, vans and small trucks are calibrated and programmed to sense fuel type, or a mixture thereof and run equally well from pure gasoline to E85 blends with only a small drop in mileage as Ethanol content increases.  Special components such as fuel tank, lines and injectors are included in the package to protect from potentially corrosive effects of certain alcohol properties.

So the big question is, at 105 octane, (as specified on the pump) why wouldn’t it work in racing engines, especially those built for pump gas as fuel?  As prices rose outside the hotel, so did my curiosity as to how this readily available and comparatively lower cost fuel would work on the track.

It is commonly known that ethanol is produced from corn.  What is not widely known is that any high starch vegetation can be used to produce high quality ethanol.  I researched this through my son, Steve Tritle, Operations Manager for seed corn production at the Monsanto plant in Boone, IA.  While corn is the preferred material, sugar beets, potatoes and even wet garbage will produce high quality ethanol for use as motor fuel.  A frequent question is, “Are we able to produce enough crops to provide for the fuel thirst of the US without shorting the food supply?”  The answer is yes as there are thousands of acres in the southeast sitting idle under government set aside programs that could be turned into fuel crop production within a couple of growing seasons.  Government subsidies paid for non production could be redirected temporarily to benefit those farmers and producers to re-equip and build the plants needed for ethanol refining.  All this benefits the US agricultural economy while reducing the country’s need for imported oil.  This market force could further lower the price of gasoline as demand drops as well.

According to Mark Thomas, owner and driver of the Ohio Corn Growers sponsored Ethanol Performs IHRA Funny Car, Ethanol works quite well as a race fuel.  Thomas has fueled his championship winning race car to ET and Speed Records and National Championships with “corn licker” flowing through its pumps and lines for several seasons now.  When I asked him how it worked compared to the seemingly preferred but far more dangerous Methanol, he spoke freely of the mathematical formula used to compensate for the different characteristics of the otherwise related compounds.

It’s all in the chemistry.  Taking a quick course in Fuel Injection 101 with Camp Stanley, 2005 NSCA Champion Pro Outlaw car owner, I learned that fuel mixture is calculated by comparing the area in square inches of the jets used in the inlet and return functions of the system used in Blown Alcohol Racing Engines.  Applying this to a gasoline carburetor should yield similar results, I concluded, so I set about dredging up formulas unused since my classes at Lewis College School of Aviation in the early 70’s.    I also searched the internet for comparison charts of fuel substance properties which was provided by one of the many of the Ethanol Industry’s websites.  Specs are found at the two links here.

http://www.ethanol.org/pdfs/Fuels%20Chart%20pg%201.PDF  http://www.ethanol.org/pdfs/Fuels%20Chart%20pg%202.PDF

Unlike Methanol the corrosive properties of Ethanol aren’t nearly as severe.  To confirm this I soaked a piece of AQP hose, a viton needle and seat, an accelerator pump diaphragm and a power valve submerged in pure ethanol provided by Thomas for several weeks.  There was no deterioration of any of the component parts.  Ethanol seems to be no more corrosive than gasoline to the carburetor.

The major downside of Ethanol is, like Methanol, its affinity to absorb moisture.  While this is a plus in keeping a daily driver’s fuel system dry, as a race fuel it must be properly handled to prevent water absorption.   Unlike gas, alcohol absorbs humidity directly out of surrounding air into solution so it doesn’t settle to the bottom of the container, tank or cell.  However, excess water results in a lean condition, inconsistency in performance and a potential for engine disaster.

The most important of these properties is the stoichiometric mixture ratios of Gasoline, Ethanol and Methanol which are 14.7, 9 and 7 to one respectively.  Stoichiometric is the term for the exact amount of air to fuel required for complete combustion of the fuel and complete consumption of the oxygen within that air within the mixture.  Of course if a race engine is run that lean it tends to perform an auto unscheduled disassembly so we run our engines in the neighborhood of 10 or 12 to one ratios with race gas.  However, the stoich ratios provide a basis from which to calculate baseline jets sized for the ultimate mixture required for specific fuel.

Another critical factor to be dealt with is the heat required to evaporate each fuel.  Gasoline will absorb only 700 BTU while ethanol sucks up 2140 BTU for gaseous state conversion.  That’s why gas racers can ice down the intake manifold and make more power.  Alcohol racers need hot engines and seldom use intercoolers as the fuel is its own mixture cooling agent.  Engine temperature would be critical but just opposite of what was accustomed.  (See Fig. 1.)

The Holley catalog provides jetting area numbers, though somewhat nominal.  Several sizes are listed with the same numbers but close enough is the key word for establishing the base.  Using the area of the current optimum jetting for gasoline will calculate up to the required base jetting for the alternative fuel.  In this case, the target fuel being E85 also required factoring a different stoich ratio than pure ethanol.  This is done by averaging the ratios of the two fuels.  Multiplying 14.7 x 15% produces a factor of 2.205, and then 9 x 85% equals 7.65.  Adding the two together sums up to 9.855 which was confirmed by another source indicating 10-1 was the nominal stoich for E85 fuel.  Dividing 14.7 by 10 produces a factor of 1.47 which when applied to the base jet area would give the required upsize area for E85 jetting.

Here’s the really great part.  Fuel for testing was purchased in Rockford, IL for $1.999 per gallon.  The engine used approximately 20% more by volume per run over gasoline, then priced at 3.699 per gallon for Premium Unleaded.  Factored cost calculates to 2.399 per gallon.  As this is written, gasoline prices have dropped more rapidly than E85 but the cost savings is still substantial.

The test mule for this experiment was my 74 Plymouth Cuda.  This one owner (me) car has been campaigned in NSCA/NMCA index footbrake competition since 2001 with a mild 360, built to run on 97 octane unleaded premium fuel.  The low, 9.8-1 compression is slightly deficient for full utilization of the increased octane and the flat top piston design and stock heads already require 36 degrees of total ignition timing just off idle for optimum burn, less in certain weather conditions.  Sealing is accomplished with Total Seal Gapless Top Rings and the engine has over 300 runs on it.  A Holley HP 650 double pumper carburetor with 85 power valves, jetted 70 square and number 27 squirters off the 50 cc accelerator pumps feed through an Edelbrock Performer RPM Air Gap manifold to a mild lift and duration cam and 1 5/8” primary tube headers for the exit path from the port matched stock cylinder heads.  Intake valves are 1.880 with exhaust measuring 1.600.  With a 904 Torqueflite transmission and 3.55 gears the 3700 lb. car has run a best of 12.805 and 103.89 at 84 feet above sea level corrected altitude this season in Belle Rose, LA.

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Re: E85 Conversion-Part II
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2008 - 09:06:18 AM »
Part 2

Moonshine Racing, Part 11
(Not the Sequel)

We left off last month at Belle Rose, LA setting ET and speed records on unleaded premium gasoline.  In review, we determined the up jetting area factor to be 147% from gasoline.  It was also learned from the Top Alcohol guys that the cylinder head temp would have to be much higher for a good launch than the average gasoline fueled race engine.  With the evaporative cooling effect 85% ethanol would have on the intake manifold, it was determined that an over rich mixture to compensate for air density would be the better way to go.  There was still much to learn as we found out quickly on the track!  With the numbers crunched and carburetor set up for the much richer mixture, a new set of Accel 116 plugs were screwed into the heads.  The Cuda was then loaded on the stretcher and hauled off to Byron Dragway for some serious testing.

The math indicated jetting for E85 needed to go from 70 to 80.  Squirters were increased to 31 and the power valves were unchanged.  Initial runs during testing at Byron Dragway produced a minor bog, enough to increase the 60’ time substantially and result in the loss of .15 sec overall ¼ mile elapsed time with close to 2 mph drop in speed.  (See Fig. 2)  Historically this car would bog with too much fuel so jetting was reduced to 78, squirters returned to 27 and the result was a very quiet period of time upon launch. (Fig. 3)  The engine simply died when the throttle was whacked.  It was quite clear at that point that more fuel was needed all around so jetting was increased to the biggest in the box at the time, 82 in the front and 84 rear as the EGT readings indicated the rear of the engine was running hotter.  A pair of 37 squirters was installed and back to back runs resulted in the best ET and speed of the day, 12.997 and 101.45.  Air hovered from 700’-1100’ most of the day.  It was apparent, however that more fuel jetting was needed as there still remained the slightest hint of a bog on launch.  Unlike Belle Rose, testing was done with open exhaust.

Timing was also increased to 38 degrees in an attempt to utilize the higher octane, and then decreased to 34 with a corresponding increase in ET and drastic loss of speed.  All further testing was performed at 36 degrees.

When jet area was initially calculated, the power valve circuit was not factored into the final formula.  It goes to say that initial testing produced less than stellar ET and Speed results, though the spark plugs were clean enough to use as dinner utensils.  Gradually increasing jet size decreased ET with speed results mirrored.  Back to back runs confirmed the need for higher engine temps as each time, regardless of mixture; the second run was quicker and/or faster than the previous.  Reasoning for this can be seen in the Fig. 1 (Jan. 1 issue) comparison of Latent Heat of Vaporization.  Using the 10 size jet increase rule of thumb for power valve elimination, and then factoring in 15% Gasoline to the mix, a jet size of 86 to 88 was indicated.

With a waiver of rules granted for the NSCA Finals in Columbus, further testing was performed at the event with jetting at 86 square.  For direct comparison with Belle Rose, the exhaust system was reinstalled as well.  Performance returned to a best ET of 12.847 @102.57 at 412’ proving that while no remarkable performance was gained as yet, none was lost either.  Through all of this, the spark plugs still remain cleaner, 60’ times quite consistent and overall performance on par with previous gasoline tune up.  Further testing with 88 and 90 jets and ultimately increasing the compression ratio in the engine should lower ET and increase speed.  There simply was no time to try this in Columbus as it soon came time for backing up to the index for qualifying.  The current set up allowed for that very well so it was not changed.  The carburetor was refitted with the gas set up as a back up test at the NMCA Finals in Memphis. The outcome was similar ET and Speed performance as in Columbus.  The baselines were established and confirmed.

After returning home from Memphis the engine was leaked and all cylinders netted less than 1% loss.  The cleaner burning E85 actually helped seal the rings and valves as previous testing produced a 1%-2.5% loss at the end of the 2004 season.

What is the next step?  As E85 becomes more popular more sportsman racers may look to it as an alternative to high cost gasoline.  Also, each gallon burned is 85% fewer gallons of imported petroleum product used, thereby lessening the country’s dependence on imported oil.  Sanction rules are being modified or under consideration for changes in many cases to allow for its use.  Many classes specifically prohibit alcohol as a fuel though I believe my testing indicates there is no unfair advantage and there is great economic benefit to its use.  In fact, as of this writing, NSCA (National Street Car Association) has written E85 into the rules for it’s American Muscle and their new Street Machine (Formerly EFI) classes and NMCA (National Muscle Car Association) is also considering it’s use in their Nostalgia Muscle Car class.  There is no current required or limiting fuel rule against E85 in NMCA or NMRA Open Comp Classes.

Imagine the day in the not too distant future that we tow our trailers using Bio Diesel and run a race with 85% Ethanol from US grown renewable sources!  What is Bio Diesel?  Well, that’s a whole ‘nother article!
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Re: E85 Conversion-Properties of Fuels Table
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2008 - 09:09:28 AM »
This doesn't copy over well but with a little effort you can determine the values and column layout.

Or, you can go here: http://www.methanol.org/pdf/FuelProperties.pdf and see the table from which below was created.


Properties of Fuels                     
                     
Property   Gasoline   Ethanol   Methanol   No. 2 Diesel   Propane   CNG   Hydrogen
Research Octane   100   108   107      112      
Octane (R+M)/2   94   100   100      104   120+   130+
Cetane   20         55         
Viscosity   0.44   1.19   0.59   4.1         
Latent Heat of Vaporization                     
Btu/gal@60 Deg. F   900   2378   3340   700   775      
Heating Value                     
Btu/gal@60 Deg. F   115000   76000   56800   128400   84500   19800   
Stoich air/fuel, weight   14.7   9   6.45   14.7   15.7   17.2   34.3
Mixture in Vapor State                     
Btu/cubic ft.@ 68 Deg. F   95.2   92.9   92.5   96.9         
Fig. 1                     
* Research Octane                     
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Re: E85 Conversion
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2008 - 09:22:25 AM »
My brain was hurting a bit too much to continue reading the second article - I'll review that a little later.

I did note however engine temps and what is required for adequate burn.  The operating engine temp is somewhere around 500 degrees for normal gas engines.  What is the temp range for your engine on the E85?

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Re: E85 Conversion
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2008 - 09:31:58 AM »
500 degrees?  Surely you're not talking coolant temp!

You won't run as well leaving the line at 140-160 degrees like we do with gas.  The engine actually likes coolant temps over 180 and upwards of 190-220 at the traps provide the best runs.

Simply put, forget to turn on the water pump?  No problem (unless you run an index or dial in and run too fast)  I've done that and have seen 240 on the gauge.  I hit the switch quick that time!

The 360 is most efficient between 190 and 210.  I determined this by making 4 back to back runs on a slow morning at Byron Dragway.  ET and speed picked up a couple of hundredths until the 4th run when it dropped off a tenth.  Am thinking the oil temp on the bottom of the pistons might have something to do with it.

I've noticed in my flex fuel Dodge Truck that it starts better if I crank it a couple of revolutions and let up.  When I hit the key the second time it pops right off.  Chamber temp seems to be the key to evaporation.
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Re: E85 Conversion
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2008 - 12:19:28 PM »
No I meant inside the Combustion Chamber - operating range is usually 500 - I just wonder what it is with E85.

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Re: E85 Conversion
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2008 - 12:44:42 PM »
I guess the best comparison would be the Autoignition temps for both.  Gasoline is 495 and Ethanol 793 degrees F.  Biggest ethanol problem is the latent heat required for vaporization which compared to gas is 900 BTU for gas vs. 2378 BTU for Ethanol.  However, this provides the benefit of cooling the combustion chamber for better cylider fill in fuel injected apps and on carbureted engines is better than a cool can, aftercooler and ice on the intake manifold.  Makes for a really dense f/a mix going down the runners.  That's and the high torque cam in my Cuda is where I think the power increase and relatively low loss of mileage efficiency.

One of my contacts is running a supercharger on a big block chevy and was able to take out the aftercooler and all that extra plumbing (and weight) and still gained performance over and above what the weight reduction would have normally yeilded.  My Edelbrock Air Gap manifold is ice cold on the bottom when idling.  Haven't checked it during a run.  However the Kohler in my Cub Cadet stays around 85 degrees at WOT and colder at idle when there's not so much heat blowing around the engine compartment.
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Re: E85 Conversion
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2008 - 08:27:46 PM »
Thanks for the info.  That was great reading. 
Didn't get through all of it but I will be back to digest more later.
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Re: E85 Conversion
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2008 - 08:50:05 AM »
Cool article Mike, Thanks for posting....I'm all for E85 but there seems to be some issues with getting it distributed in my area, North Alabama. I recently searched for outlets & the nearest I could find is 90 miles away & the one that was planned closer for some time fell through.   
  One thing I read that made me wonder about the ramifications of converting our hobby cars over is alcohols tendency to absorb moisture from the atmosphere.  Many of these cars sit for weeks, even months & do not have sealed systems.

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Re: E85 Conversion
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2008 - 09:30:00 AM »
Moisture in fuel has never been a problem for me since converting.  I am quite careful with how I handle it, keeping the jugs closed, etc.  I also added a Ramco fuel filter/water seperator after writing the article.  It has a little spin on filter that I've only changed once since the first change had no water in it.  Mine will sit sometimes as many as three weeks between starts and I've now stopped storing it after draining the tank and carb.  I do add a little Seafoam from time to time to keep things lubed up.

Bet you didn't know this.  One of the foremost authorities on Celulosic Ethanol Production is located close to you in Opelika.  http://www.ag.auburn.edu/agrn/faculty/bransby.htm

I had some opportunity to partake of his vast research last year and can tell you that once the celulosic process takes root ethanol will be everywhere.  The process can produce from almost any carbon based feedstock though switchgrass is the primary focus.  Grass clippings, wood chips, plastic bottles, used tires and other refuse materials are on the short list.  In fact, a small plant could be set up on a landfill site and drastically reduce the fill material and produce food instead.  Just takes money and Bransby has been working very close with the administration in DC on the project.  Unfortunately there are a bunch of outfits out there promoting bogus stuff.  It is coming, however, especially with oil over $100/barrel.
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