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Offline mjb765

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Looking for 440 info
« on: August 06, 2008 - 05:26:38 PM »
I have a 70 Chally with a 383 that needs a rebuild. Instead of doing that I am thinking of doing a 440 and need some info on where to start. As far a buying a block goes, will any 440 work or are there significant differences I should be concerned with?? It is going to be mostly a street motor with maybe some track time once in a while. I see so many motors from r/v's for sale--is that a good block to start with???




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Re: Looking for 440 info
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2008 - 08:47:38 PM »
I like the older 440's but really any will work. After a certain date, they had spool mounts instead of biscit flat mounts, so I think the mounting ears on the block are slightly different but causes no issues .

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Re: Looking for 440 info
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2008 - 08:51:37 PM »
I read somewhere that the casting around the mains is wider and thicker in the blocks made after 74 or 76. I'm guessing that would be stronger--but I don't think for my case it would really matter.

Thanks for the help...

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Re: Looking for 440 info
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2008 - 01:09:27 AM »
How much horsepower are you planning on?
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Re: Looking for 440 info
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2008 - 01:36:03 AM »
This article has some excellent information about 440 blocks:
http://www.440source.com/blockinfo.htm

My engine builder confirmed the same thing - They sonic checked a bunch of blocks, and found no difference in wall thickness.  Just make sure you don't buy into the hype about 'HP' blocks - There is no difference from the 'regular' block.

I know that the RV engines had extra coolant passages in the heads, due to the high temps seen in RV engine compartments.  I have always wondered if that means you can only use the heads that came with that block?  Anyway, you should be able to find a 440 block pretty cheap - I got a complete engine for $100 off of Craigs List last year.

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Re: Looking for 440 info
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2008 - 05:06:50 AM »
you could also do a wicked 451 ci using a readily availble 400 block & a 440 source stroker pkg

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Re: Looking for 440 info
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2008 - 11:40:19 AM »
How much horsepower are you planning on?

around 450-500. I can't afford to go too crazy

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Re: Looking for 440 info
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2008 - 12:03:56 PM »
Do yourself a favor and look up my profile - look at my recent posts and you'll find TONS of threads regarding a 440 build.  I'm looking in the 550 to 600 horsepower range, but I'm doing a 505 stroker with mine.

RV blocks work fine - that's what I'm starting with.  The biggest question to start with is do you want to keep the 440 displacement or stroke it.  You should be able to get 450hp with the factory crank, rods and pistons (hone the cylinders and replace rings, etc - maybe aftermarket, lightweight pistons at the factory size.)  Use steel heads with a good port job and an aftermarket intake (Holley is recommended around here pretty strongly,) upgrade to headers and probably an 850cfm carb, and you should be set.

For the 500 range, probably a .030 over boring of the cylinder with new pistons, factory crank and rods should be fine.  Use Edelbrock RPM aluminum heads pretty much as is or a mild porting, get a nice aggressive cam (can't help you too much there - still researching that myself) and intake, headers and maaaaybe a 950 cfm carb - 500 should be pretty easy there.

I'm doing a 505 stroker with RPM heads, aggressive cam and roller lifters and rockers, single-plane intake (considering use of nitrous) and a 950 "dual-pump" carb.  My research says I should hit 550 easily.

I spent $300 for a complete RV 440, intake-to-oil pan.  I think I wasted some money though 'cause really all I'm keeping is the block...  At least all the remaining parts I can sell for scrap.   :dunno:

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Re: Looking for 440 info
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2008 - 12:44:01 PM »
Thanks for the info--that's going to help a lot.

So I'm guessing that the post I read about extra coolant passages in the R/V blocks don't affect the heads you use--or do they all have that??

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Re: Looking for 440 info
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2008 - 01:03:09 PM »
no prob with the extra cooling

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Re: Looking for 440 info
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2008 - 03:33:29 PM »
Are the passages "extra?"  I'm guessing they get blocked off by aftermarket heads...

Chrycho can you give more info on this?  No one mentioned it to me before.  I'm just curious what the differences are.

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Re: Looking for 440 info
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2008 - 04:50:26 PM »
me too......

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Re: Looking for 440 info
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2008 - 07:03:58 PM »
If you don't want to go to the effort of finding a new block, there are stroker kits available to take your 383 out to a 432.  Mopar Muscle covered a build a while ago and the story is available on their website.

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/mopp_0605_mopar_performance_383_stroker_engine/index.html
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Re: Looking for 440 info
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2008 - 07:24:40 PM »
you could also do a wicked 451 ci using a readily availble 400 block & a 440 source stroker pkg

Wicked....now I haven't heard that word used in a long time.....I'm from Boston and we used to say that all the time.."Wicked Awesome man!"

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Re: Looking for 440 info
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2008 - 09:59:08 PM »
   

  I'm from Boston too, and my friends still say wicked. Conan Obrien from Boston favorite word is wicked.