Cam lobe wear

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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2008 - 06:06:46 PM »
Well by doing that, you can verify two things at the same time.
1) The plug is getting spark
2) The cylinder is working   :2thumbs:
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2008 - 04:06:55 PM »
To state the obvious...

  DON'T pull the spark plug wires off with your bare hand while the engine is running.   :scared:

A lesson learned when I was a kid messing around with lawn mowers. It's funny how some mistakes you never make twice.   :grinyes:



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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2008 - 06:17:05 PM »
Belgium, I also think that the problem sounds like a dead cylinder, not a balance issue. The factory did do an external balance job on a forged crank 440, but that was a special case. The 1970 440+6 had heavier rods than the standard 440, and was externally balanced. It is possible that the machine shop included the convertor in the balancing to avoid using mallory metal or some other expensive alternative to welding some weight onto the convertor. The weight looks smaller than the factory job, and probably weighs less. Put your camshaft and lifters in, and run-in the engine to break in the cam and lifters, and then take a systematic approach to diagnosis. Leakdown tests are done with the piston at TDC compression, so the test occurs with both valves closed. You can test the engine in its partially torn-down state for a ring/valve seal problem. Take out the spark plugs, and turn the engine over to TDC for each cylinder, applying the air to the cylinder you have ready to test. A way to block the crankshaft from turning is also a good idea, as you can easily turn the crank by applying air pressure to a piston at TDC, and thus skew the test results, as well. Listening at the oil fill, the carb, and the appropriate exhaust pipe is all you need do after applying air to each cylinder. I bet the dead one whistles into the crankcase. That would be a ringseal problem. Your symptoms would be a little different if it were a valve.

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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2008 - 07:39:27 PM »
 I am thinking the same. Losing power in a cylinder, not balancing issues.

 As for the converter, does the shop note the balanced, install locations like on a clutch? Mine has punched marks on the flywheel and cover to match the correct boltup.  :dunno:

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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2008 - 01:39:20 AM »
Did a leaktest with the cam out, same result in the cylinder with 20 Psi less as the other ones. Maybe I did it wrong but I got the same results,
the leaking air went downwards because nothing came out from the heads.
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2008 - 02:52:02 AM »
Did you try using oil in that cylinder?

Yank the head and pull the pan and take that piston out if you're convinced it has a problem. Maybe it has a ring missing or it was broken installing it or installed upside down. No way to know without taking it out.
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2008 - 07:07:26 PM »
Belgium, a common problem with leakdown tests is the position of the piston. Also, the air pressure needs to be regulated to a lower pressure than what usually comes out of the air compressor. Locking the crankshaft from turning once the appropriate piston is at TDC, will help get you better results, too. If you are getting a lot of leakdown past all pistons (air hissing into the crankcase), it is possible that you have an engine-wide ringseal issue, and the low cylinder is the first to show it. Do you have a good idea of the history of the engine? Was it built with the correct cylinder wall finish for the rings used? Has it been properly broken in? Procedures can vary, depending upon the ring manufacturer. As 71chally pointed out, it may be that there is insufficient oil for a good ring seal in its current state, and the cylinders are all lacking. Try a shot of oil into the cylinders as you bring them around for testing, and lock the crank from moving during the test. Good luck.

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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #52 on: August 19, 2008 - 12:54:10 PM »
BC,this is not right


that is not normal balancing for a converter and not normal balancing for an engine at a machine shop. :clueless:
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #53 on: August 22, 2008 - 04:56:14 PM »
I have put a new cam in the engine and removed the balanceweight but now it doesn't start.  :banghead: Get no spark but it reacts when
I turn the distributor. Could I have burned the ECU or coil by wrong connecting? Tried turning distributor 180° but no difference.
Please some good advice!  :1zhelp:
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2008 - 06:40:44 PM »
Belgium, it sounds as if you are cursed! Is this no-spark condition only at the spark plug, or is it a lack of spark at the coil? Check your grounds before you start condemning parts, and use basic diagnostic procedures to eliminate the dummy problems we often inflict upon ourselves when a project is apart for more than a few days. I speak from experience, so I am serious here. Check all the basics carefully, and make sure that they are correct: When the #1 cylinder is at TDC compression, is the distributor drive slot parallel to the camshaft? Confirm that you also have the distributor rotor pointed at the proper terminal on the cap, and then confirm all connections to the ECU. Check for timed spark at the coil, and then at the spark plug, if you have spark at the coil wire. A spark plug-style ignition tester is handy for this. Check the intensity of the spark, while you are testing for its existence. Sometimes, the ignition is weak, and will spark with no load upon it, but fail when it has to really work, during a combustion event. If the spark is weak, then you check for proper grounding again, and check the coil for proper resistance. Remove the wires from the coil on all 3 terminals, and check for resistance between the primary terminals (should be 1.5 ohms), and also between all 3 terminals and ground. There should be absolutely no other reading but "infinity" or "open" in these checks. Check the resistance between the positive terminal and the secondary terminal, and the resistance should be 9,000-12,000 ohms for a stock coil, and will vary according to maker for other coils. A reading near these numbers should generate decent spark, and function correctly with the proper voltage and current applied. Check your reluctor gap; this should be .006"-.010". Use a non-magnetic feeler gauge for this, or unplug the distributor before checking the air gap. The pickup coil should check with 150-900 ohms of resistance, and generate a square waveform (if you want to get fancy). If you have a dual-ballast resistor setup, there should be over 11 volts available on socket #3 of the ECU connector, and there should be 4.75-5.75 ohms of resistance on the auxilliary resistor side of the dual-ballast resistor. Check the ground of the ECU by checking resistance between pin #5 of the ECU and chassis ground (battery ground if available). If all these things check out, and there is power coming out of the key switch to the ignition in the first place, then the ECU is probably at fault. Good luck, man.

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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2008 - 06:41:03 PM »
make sure the dist is turning while cranking the engine

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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2008 - 09:55:27 AM »
Battery was low last night, that's way the spark problem I guess. I have meassured according to Supercudas guide, I have checked the moovement
of the distributor, checked all grounds, firingorder, TDC, changed carb,ECU and coil. The damn car doesn't make any attempt to start.
I pulled a valvecover to see if the pushrods fell out but everything lookes fine when I crank. You can turn the distributor 30-60-90-180° without
any change in apperance when you turn the key. I have by now propably worn out the new cam aswell, I am getting desperate here.
1 thought, since I am alone I have to do all tests with a remote start. Could it be something connected to the ignitionkey, that I have spark and
voltage when I use my remote but not when I use the key?  :banghead: :banghead:
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2008 - 10:02:30 AM »
You do have the key all the way in the on position when you are using the remote button ..... right?
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2008 - 10:17:24 AM »
Yes but I never tried to start the car with the remote. Just for checking that I have spark.
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #59 on: August 23, 2008 - 04:44:16 PM »
It may be that you have a faulty ignition switch- the power for the ignition comes from there. It is also possible that the starter relay is not powering up the yellow wire on the "I" terminal. This will also kill spark. You do seem to have a cursed car, Belgium.