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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #105 on: October 21, 2008 - 09:42:51 AM »
Thanks for the answer hemiken  :cheers:
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #106 on: October 21, 2008 - 10:24:52 AM »
I plan to use my Eagle rods  because they are balanced with the crank and pistons but I see they don't have the V-groove the standard rods
have so I wonder if it matters how you turn them in the engine? One side also have numbermarkings but not 1-8 but other figures, what do they mean?
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #107 on: October 21, 2008 - 10:31:09 AM »
Pretty sure the bearing notches go to the outside. I guess you mean the v groove in the old rods is for lubing into the inside rotation

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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #108 on: October 21, 2008 - 11:56:14 AM »
Yes indeed I mean the lubing grooves, why don't Eagle have them?
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #109 on: October 21, 2008 - 11:59:33 AM »
Im told competion rods usually run over 1500/2000 rpms and that the cam getts plenty of oil without the grooves

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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #110 on: October 21, 2008 - 12:54:08 PM »
Do you mean the crank? I was told they were OK for a cruiser aswell  :clueless:
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #111 on: October 21, 2008 - 08:19:07 PM »
Use them, Belgium. The Eagle H-beam rods are great! Yes, they are handed, but I can't remember how it went, as it's been a few years since I installed mine in my 383. I do remember installing half of them backwards, and having to pull the spiro-locks TWICE, but my fingers got over it. If I remember correctly, the thin side of the rod (less meat past the beam) went to the inside of the pair. No instructions with mine, but it will be obvious if you mixed up the rods. The crank WILL bind up at about the third rod installed, if you got it wrong. Good luck!!!

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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #112 on: October 23, 2008 - 02:41:07 PM »
Was planning to check ringgap today but asked myself which rings are the topone in the speedpro set, the bright ones with red/white markings or the darker ones with white markings? Are the 2 rings for the oilring equal? It's unclear in the instructions.  :clueless:

KB pistons recomend a larger gap then speedpro does, reasonable?
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #113 on: October 23, 2008 - 09:06:02 PM »
It's been a while since I looked at my rings, but I will try to help. What do your instructions actually say? Are your rings a plain set, or is there a moly ring there? As far as the oil rings go, the scrapers are the same, and the expander only really works if you install it with the ends butted together. Use the ring manufacturer's gap recommendation, they made the things, and know the expansion rate of their product. I like closer, rather than wider, ring gaps anyway. Blow-by is power lost. The rings are usually shipped in a box which separates them into 3 stacks, on top of each other. The order is then obvious. My own instructions for my rings, upon reading them, are very vague. Checking the shape of the inside of the ring, will also be instructional. The stripes might also simply be 1stripe=top ring; 2 stripes=second ring. If your set is a moly-ring set, then the marks mean exactly that- stripe=ring groove.

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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #114 on: October 23, 2008 - 09:23:06 PM »
Not sure if this will help if they changed the way it's marked.

Tom

http://mikesplayground.net/PDF_docs/transam/speed_pro_rings.pdf
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #115 on: October 23, 2008 - 09:32:56 PM »
If you see dots----dots up
My .030 over has a gap of like .026 on top for kb's  can't really remember, but it has a formula. It needs more then say trw's

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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #116 on: October 23, 2008 - 09:35:48 PM »
KB pistons recomend a larger gap then speedpro does, reasonable?


If you don't want to break the top ring lands off the pistons you better.  This link explains why the KB pistons need more ring gap>
http://www.beckracing.com/speclear.htm
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #117 on: October 23, 2008 - 11:06:40 PM »
 Curious if all ring thinkness are the same when interchanging piston/ring manufacturers. I only have use speed pro sets. :dunno:

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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #118 on: October 24, 2008 - 06:55:36 AM »
If the machinist didn't change the location of the rings in the box (balancework) the oilrings have 1 white marking, the second ring has 2
white markings and the toprings have 2 white and 1 red marking. The topring has a taper on the inside and the second ring not.
The top ring is much brighter then the second ring (cast iron). Partnr SLP-R-10246-5 (summit), I will follow the position in the box and hope
the machineshop put them back right. Will also follow KB's recomendation of 0,0028 ringgap.
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Re: Cam lobe wear
« Reply #119 on: October 25, 2008 - 09:05:47 AM »
Just discovered that the -906 heads had been milled to 78cc chambers, will that bring the compression to a too high level with the
KB237 pistons and 0,040 overbore? I calculated on standard heads  :banghead:
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