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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2008 - 11:10:29 AM »
I still want to see a good photo of the blackout on the bottom of the sills. :bigsmile:
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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2008 - 12:23:03 PM »
I still want to see a good photo of the blackout on the bottom of the sills. :bigsmile:

You should be a used car salesman.   :roflsmiley:

ECS, awesome car.  I sure can appreciate the work put into something when I see it, no matter what brand or where it came from.  Nice work.   :2thumbs:

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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #62 on: August 20, 2008 - 12:26:32 PM »
I still want to see a good photo of the blackout on the bottom of the sills. :bigsmile:
Are you talking about the pinch welds?

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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #63 on: August 20, 2008 - 02:15:49 PM »
Beautiful car!!! Everyone has different taste I just hope we didn't lose a new member over this matter.
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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #64 on: August 20, 2008 - 02:27:16 PM »
I could appreciate the time and money it took to make that car as new. I wish he would offer to do that to mine :bigsmile:  He shows some excellent work and details.  I am sure he seasoned enough to stop in every once in a while for q&a if needed. He restores muscle cars not just ebodies. So I bet his crew stays busy. Doesnt matter who likes it or not. The car is bewdiful and well built. It will hold its value for a very long time. 

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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #65 on: August 20, 2008 - 02:32:24 PM »
Are you talking about the pinch welds?

Yeah I guess so. That ugly flange along the botton of the car? The factory was supposed to paint them black. Sometimes they did. But i don't know if they always did.
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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #66 on: August 20, 2008 - 02:55:43 PM »
Yeah I guess so. That ugly flange along the botton of the car? The factory was supposed to paint them black. Sometimes they did. But i don't know if they always did.
Mine's on the lift, I'll take a pic later and post. Probably not as correct as Dave's, but pretty close as I recall.

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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #67 on: August 20, 2008 - 07:56:15 PM »
Yeah I guess so. That ugly flange along the botton of the car? The factory was supposed to paint them black. Sometimes they did. But i don't know if they always did.
Ok, I hope this helps. Dave's car.
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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #68 on: August 20, 2008 - 08:14:21 PM »
Dave, please don't patronize him or anyone else.  Ghost, a long-time member of this forum and a Young Gun, began his post by paying tribute to the obvious time and effort put forth by you and everyone else that worked on this car.  His last sentence is in no way an insult to you or your team.  Instead, I believe it's an honest expression that "factory-correct" restorations of this type are not his cup of tea and he (and I) don't understand the attraction. 

You had the opportunity to explain what it is about this end of the hobby that you find satisfying as opposed to modifying the car.  Instead, you choose to post something that drips with attitude.  Why not show a little respect to your fellow enthusiasts and tell us why it's enjoyable to you pursue having it as "correct" as possible?  And show a little respect to those of us who prefer to do it differently - even if it means we buy our seat covers at Year One and put aluminum intakes on our non-numbers matching engines.

I must agree with this post.  Dave sometimes does get with the attitude.  And perhaps understandably at times.  Still this gentleman didnt mean to degrade or make fun of Daves car.   This car is at the very top end of the correct OE presentation on every level.   I have over 250 pics of it that was sent to me and I shall use much of his hard work and complete dedication to duplicate on my car.  Like others, I dont have the intention to spend $100,000+ on a $35,000 car, and I have a few things I want to do that while not correct is what I want and I like.   Part of Daves "dripping attitude" does come from others who set themselves up as specialists or know it alls, and they attack his work while offering no documenation to their theory, and others are simply jealous of his level of dedication.   Many who have belittled him simply had their own agenda whether it be personal or financial.  I have seen others attack him on many levels on issues such as whether or not Mopar painted the hoods with the scoops in or out.   Dave had documentation that they were painted with the scoops in.  Still others would not hear of it and some attacked every aspect of his proof while other veiled their contempt and jealousy by sniping at him from afar.    I dont know Dave if I saw him, and I have read with interest many of his posts.  His business is dedicated to the advancement of the hobby and yes his living too.  So more so than many of his he has alot at stake.    At times he is intolerant of others and sometimes he is over the top.  But sometimes each of us are over the top too.  My life and my living isnt nearly dependant on my reputation in this hobby as his.  That being said, sometimes you have to understand his defensiveness.   There are some who look for any opening to cut him down a notch.     I admit that post wasnt his best, but its tough at the top, and some days are better than others.   I talk alot I know, especially for someone I dont know, but all in all he means well I think, and others have told me he does his best to help out other enthusiasts.
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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #69 on: August 20, 2008 - 11:00:23 PM »
.... by telling me that rude gestures are actually a variant form of admiration.
Taking the discourse to a new level. Very nice. :ylsuper:
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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #70 on: August 20, 2008 - 11:09:44 PM »
I'll reply to each part of your reply.  Once again, I mean no offense, just trying to understand why so many people go to all the time, money, and effort to get cars back to 100% factory correct.


No offense taken!  Just out of curiosity, what would be considered a "big attraction" or big deal?  After market wheels and tires?  Air Shocks?  Shackles?  Shag carpet?  Side Pipes?  Or how about a tunnel ram hood scoop?

Never been big on air shocks, shackles, or shag carpet (unless it's a Shaggin Waggin).  Side pipes, I like how they look, and sound.  And the tunnel ram hood scoop (usually) means that the car has some serious balls, which is why I respect it.

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I always thought that attempting something that had not been done (since the factory did it 39 years ago) WAS a thing of extreme deviation and/or difficulty.

I'm not denying that.  In fact, quite the opposite.  It's damn hard to bring a car back to how it came from the factory.  Alot harder than doing a restomod.

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Try finding an NOS correct date coded air conditioning condenser still in the factory original packaging.  After the months it takes to do that, then you can proceed to find the other 300 plus NOS parts that is just as hard to locate.  If that all falls in place, then try and assemble every single piece in a fashion that does not look deliberate or restored by someone after the fact.  If your $600 per gallon paint job doesn't turn out exact with the correct over spray pattern, orange peel or has too much dirt, (that you cannot wet sand out because it would take away from the factory patina) you simply start all over from scratch.  (Three times to be exact!)


This is what I don't understand.  Why would you go to all this effort, to get every little detail down exactly how it was (you've done a damn good job of it, which speaks volumes of your patience and love for the car).  I just don't understand why people would argue about if black overspray was correct or not.  To me, the overspray being there or not does not add, or detract, from the car itself.  But then, to me, color, or the options list, or rarity of the car don't matter to me, either.  I just love to drive them, to listen to their engines purr at idle, and roar at throttle, to look at their beautifully sculpted bodylines (one of the main reasons I'm a Mopar guys is that Mopars are more beautiful than most GM or FoMoCo cars).  What I don't understand is why you take so much time and effort, preventing you from driving the car for years longer than it would have with a normal resto.  Frankly, I don't have the patience for that, I'd go insane from having the car, but not being able to drive it.

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Certainly not as impressive or difficult as getting a J.C Whitney exhaust system or an Aftermarket Aluminum Intake Manifold or Year One Seat Covers or........


I never once said that.  The sheer level of time, work, and detail put into this car are just as impressive as a 10 second street car.

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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #71 on: August 20, 2008 - 11:10:02 PM »
I have to say I love the car. It is absolutely beautiful and my hats off to you for your hard work. I especially love the rare color combination on the car, I'm a sucker for blue interior e-bodies. I do have a question for, what is the paint formula for the engine? I have been restoring these cars (not to your level, but I hope to get there one day) for years and I still cannot find the correct formulation for the engine paint.
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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #72 on: August 20, 2008 - 11:25:11 PM »
Indicating that your trying to understand someone else's perspective while at the same time making arguably pejoritive comments is incongruous. :2cents:

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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #73 on: August 20, 2008 - 11:40:06 PM »
Indicating that your trying to understand someone else's perspective while at the same time making arguably pejoritive comments is incongruous. :2cents:

Whoa now, my major was in Finance/Economics.  Gonna have to get out my webster for the pejoritive.   I know what incongruous means.    :woo:   I didnt reallize some of our members were quite so edumacated.  he he he.   

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Re: Most correctly restored Challenger ever?
« Reply #74 on: August 20, 2008 - 11:54:23 PM »
Indicating that your trying to understand someone else's perspective while at the same time making arguably pejoritive comments is incongruous. :2cents:

I'm making my position understood, in hopes that he will do the same.