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Offline TRIPLE-GREEN

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Getting MPG down
« on: August 23, 2008 - 03:53:53 PM »
Hello,
   As some of you know i have a stock 318 in my 73. I have Bs'ed with a few guys with larger motors (383, 454) about the proper range of mpg for a 318.
  I have grown up with old cars so I understand they drink. Right now I am getting about 5-6 MPG in the city alot better on the freeway (no shock there). The motor runs clean, no smoke, a little rich, but not to bad. Runs and drives smooth and like a champ. This car is totaly unmulested and has almost all its orignal equipment.

Motor 318ci
Carb - stock 2brl
Stock cam
Stock Stroke (30 over)
Single stock exhaust
Stock elec. ign
904 trans
stock wheels and tires

Motor was rebuilt less then 3500 miles ago - RUNS GREAT!! I plan to go to a stock 340 4brl intake with a 600 cfm edelbrock. As I was told the new carb should help. I am not a lead foot with this old lady so it should help.

I guess the question is what else can I do to help move the MPG up. I am looking for 8-9 mpg  :clueless: ,is that resonable? What could be causing this motor to take such a large gulp. Any ideas? :working:




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Re: Getting MPG down
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2008 - 04:16:16 PM »
After reading this I don't feel so bad getting 9-10 city, 13 hwy with my 500Stroker six pack.  I was thinking a 318 should get at least 20.

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Re: Getting MPG down
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2008 - 04:25:17 PM »
You may be a little back on the timing. 

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Re: Getting MPG down
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2008 - 04:31:00 PM »
I think Moparal is right. Check your tune- the 318 with a 2-bbl carb should be getting between 12-16mpg in town, and higher on the highway. "A little rich" is a lot of wasted fuel. Address that, and check your timing- it should be at about 10-12 BTDC at idle. While we are there, idle should be between 700-900 rpm, and the choke should be open. All these things can affect fuel economy.

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Re: Getting MPG down
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2008 - 04:33:30 PM »
That is good to know. I had a guy localy check the spec. books he had and he said it should be top dead center.  :screwy: I had it at about 10 before but was getting some post deadnation. I changed it and it ran smoother but still had some random problems with the sputtering when you turn it off. So I need to be 10 degrees above or below TDC?
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Re: Getting MPG down
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2008 - 04:38:38 PM »
That sounds really, really low especially for a bone stock 318.  Are you sure you didn't leave a 1 off before those numbers?  
My 95 5.2L Magnum gets close to 23mpg.  
I'd take a good look at the fuel system, and check to make sure your oil doesn't smell like gas. Look for cracked hoses, pinholes in the tubing. Could be a sign of bad wear.  Did they change the pistons and rings when they bored the cylinders? Have you done a compression test?
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Re: Getting MPG down
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2008 - 05:07:04 PM »
From what i was told it was a total rebuild. It could be the fuel system. I will check that out as well. I am about to change out the hoses and replace things when I get the new intake done. It all looks old. I will check the oil as well. But wouldn't excesive blow by cause performance issues and poor idle? This car runs really good and has plenty of power. I have had no performance issues at all other then the post deadnation and that only happonds every 7 or 8th time I shut the car off so not often.

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Re: Getting MPG down
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2008 - 05:25:44 PM »
You're right about the performance symptoms... I see those low numbers and I get suspicious...

Silly question:  What's the air filter look like?
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Re: Getting MPG down
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2008 - 06:22:28 PM »
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Re: Getting MPG down
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2008 - 06:27:53 PM »
Something is definitely not right! :eek7:

My 318/904, 2-barrel '72 regularly gets 13-14 mpg around town and 16-17 on the highway, just running the stock set up with no tuning. I'm sure if I spent some time tuning it would do even better than this. 5 mpg's is 600+ hp big block territory!  :faint:

When was the last time it had a tune up? Just because the PO said it was totally rebuilt doesn't mean it was, or that the carb was, or that the original plugs and filter weren't put back on afterwards. I'd pull the spark plugs and air filter and inspect them, and follow that up with checking the timing and carb tuning as suggested. You also might want to check your air pressure in your tires, a couple psi low can knock your mpg's as well.
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Re: Getting MPG down
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2008 - 06:37:33 PM »
For sure somethings way off....back in the day My '73 Charger 318 got 18+ highway, can't remember city but the 340Chally got 12+city,( if you really tried) & upwards of 18 on the highway at 55....fell of dramatically after that.

    Timing is BTC before, about 5-10degrees at idle she should run well ....get that right adjust the carb, be sure the distributor advance is working & there is no reason you can't be in the low teens around town.

From what I understand the "post detonation" you refer to..I call run on...is caused by carbon build up on the valves igniting the unburnt fuel in the intake & would have nothing to do with timing. 
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Re: Getting MPG down
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2008 - 06:51:07 PM »
I don't know about 20mpg.  :clueless: That might be a bit much to ask of a V-8 with a carb in a car that weighs over 3,600lbs and has no OD tranny. 15 overall is probably a more obtainable goal. Don't try to extrapolate the mileage numbers of a modern fuel injected computer controlled car with a 4 speed OD tranny to what you can get with a 35 YO car that turns 1,000 more RPM at highway speed.

The thing to do to avoid run-on is to leave the car in gear when you turn it off. The 318 is not normally plauged with after-run unless it has many miles and lots of carbon build up.

Besides the obvious ones the areas to work on for better mileage are>
1) A better exhaust, like a decent dual exhaust with a crossover pipe.
2) As much initial ignition advance as possible without detonation and make sure the vac advance in the distributor is working like it's supposed to. Having that unhooked is death to mileage.
3) A carb as lean as possible. You might even be able to find a NOS 2 bbl carb on E-bay for cheap. I'd look for the newest model I could find for a 318. I would NOT use a 340 Intake on a 318 because you'll have a horrific port mis-match that will kill your mileage.
4) Make sure the front end is aligned correctly.
5) Use synthetic oil
6) Don't haul 100 lbs of crap around in your trunk.
7) Might also wanna see which intake manifold your motor has. Some of the old A motors came with a weird single plane 2 bbl manifold. I think a dual plane is always the best choice for TQ and mileage. It's easy to find one in the boneyard.
   Also realise that mileage figures are like performance estimates. You can usually subtract 4 or 5 mpg (or mph) from whatever most of your buddies tell you they get with theirs. And also remember you use regular and they can't. :thumbsup:
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Re: Getting MPG down
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2008 - 07:01:54 PM »
Your engine may be stock, but what kind of gears do you have in the rear end? If you are running 4:10's, that would put the kibosh on good gas mileage.


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Re: Getting MPG down
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2008 - 07:19:21 PM »
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Thank you Stroker...  real cute.

I MEANT, is the air filter excessively dirty! 
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Re: Getting MPG down
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2008 - 07:45:21 PM »

Thank you Stroker...  real cute.

I MEANT, is the air filter excessively dirty! 


Don't get upset. I took it the same way StRoKer did.   :grinyes:

You have a point though. If the filter hasn't been changed in years...  :eek4:

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