Easiest way to set total timing?

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Offline mikerallye

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Easiest way to set total timing?
« on: September 04, 2008 - 07:35:25 PM »
Can the total vacuum advance be set w/o tape on the balancer? I have read the instructions that came with my MP dist, and it tells me to have a vacuum gauge inside the car and do several other things to set it. It seems to run fine now at 16* initial, but some of the posts here say that initial timing is just guessing. I would like to get it right. It does not detonate now, am I close?   :clueless:




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Re: Easiest way to set total timing?
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2008 - 08:39:23 PM »
You need a dial back timing light with out the tape on the balancer.  I have an older crafstman one, works for me.  It was <50 bucksIIRC.  If you left the MP dist alone it will all be in by 2K, but will add a decent amount of mechanical advance by then.  Double check it and compare it to the paper work you got with the dist.

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The newer MP dists are adjustable on the mechanical advance by some torx screws inside.
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Re: Easiest way to set total timing?
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2008 - 06:54:46 AM »
I too purchased one of the MP distribs and it was way different than my stock.
Like Tom was saying, the advance will all come in quick, and I had to take mine apart and adjust the screws.

I have in the past before buying a timing gun that you can dial back, cleaned the dampener really good and then using a piece of tape cut to a specific length to see the mark for your total.
I know there is a thread in here somewhere about that.

The best method some will tell you, because no 2 cars are alike anyway, and happens to be they way I got my car to run the best is to have the engine running above 2,000 with your head under the hood and dial your distributor in that way.
You want to hear the RPMs climb before they start to drop off.
But again there is already a whole thread on that.

So the short answer is if the car starts well, runs well and does not detonate, you probably are really close.

I didn't mean to get long winded, but I hope that answers you question  :lol:
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Re: Easiest way to set total timing?
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2008 - 07:41:32 AM »
This article was written by our club president & takes you step by step through the process
http://tvmoparclub.com/files/tech/Mopar%20Timing.pdf
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Re: Easiest way to set total timing?
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2008 - 08:26:02 AM »
The quick EZ way is to cut a piece of firm tape (not the kind that stretches) 2 3/8" long and line it up with your mark on the dampner. Your max advance should align with the end of the tape.
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Re: Easiest way to set total timing?
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2008 - 10:00:59 AM »
Now , we're getting somewhere. The easy button!   :cooldancing:

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Re: Easiest way to set total timing?
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2008 - 04:52:39 PM »
It's not so much easy as stone simple. The truth is, if you want to know what your total advance is, there are only two ways to know: accurately marked damper, or a timing light with the dial-back feature. The Craftsman is an accurate light for little cash outlay, and another one in the "cheap but good" category, is the lights by Actron. I have a $230 Snap-On light, and it has been used against my cheap and cheesy Actron light, and against others. The Innova light is ok, but not as good as Craftsman or Actron. Sun-Pro was alright too, as I recall. Hit the flea market and look for a bargain on a used one, if new is a little steep for you. Another problem experienced by the more expensive lights, is inaccuracy caused by capacitive-discharge or multi-strike ignitions. This often fools the timing light into giving you a false timing signal, or no flash at all. For some reason, the cheap Actron light has no problem with this, and the lower-cost Craftsman units also didn't care what ignition you were using. I have yet to experience this problem with my Snap-On, but I have heard of it happening with other, high-end timing lights. I keep my Actron, and use the Snap-On until I don't trust its results. The thing you need to do, is determine where in the RPM you want full timing to come in, and rev the engine to that point. Hold it at that RPM, and check timing advance. If it's where it needs to be, you're done. If not, adjust the distributor until it is at the correct advance, and at the right RPM. After this step, bring the engine back to idle, and check your initial timing advance. This is where you want to put the distributor every time you pull it out, to duplicate the desired-for full advance numbers. Initial timing is always determined by the manufacturers like this, and when the initial advance is wrong in relation to the full advance, it gets corrected the same way we do with these fancy aftermarket systems. Access to a distributor machine will also give the answer to the question, "what initial timing do I need for this full advance number?" It will also allow you to re-curve your distributor, without running the engine during the process. It's a very cool tool, and now also an endangered species.

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Re: Easiest way to set total timing?
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2008 - 07:05:38 PM »
I just open up my lapetop and set the timing curve.   :roflsmiley:

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Re: Easiest way to set total timing?
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2008 - 07:13:06 PM »
All well and good, but I kick it oldschool.

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Re: Easiest way to set total timing?
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2008 - 08:13:24 PM »
All well and good, but I kick it oldschool.


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