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Best ET ever!
« on: September 20, 2008 - 06:28:33 AM »
Ran the cuda last night at the track and with the brisk temps equaling great air ran my best 1/4 mile ET ever-13.21 @ 103.4 mph!It only beat my best time of 13.26 by a little but I hadn`t done any better than 13.4-5`s with the new engine combo so was a bit surprised it ran so well.Judging by the mph I think there might even be a little more left and I`m only .22 away from my goal of a 12.99,looks like I`ve got some motivation to spend the last month or so of the season at the track trying.  :2thumbs:
Jeff
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Re: Best ET ever!
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2008 - 06:32:42 AM »
 :woohoo:

keep at it! the asphalt will fall to the mopar!

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Re: Best ET ever!
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2008 - 09:51:12 AM »
are you using slicks? what kind of tire are you using?

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Re: Best ET ever!
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2008 - 10:33:03 AM »
BFG drag radial 235 60 15
Jeff
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Re: Best ET ever!
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2008 - 11:18:04 AM »
  :droolingbounce: :2thumbs:

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Re: Best ET ever!
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2008 - 02:12:56 PM »
Congrats, Torred (Jeff?)!! :cheers:  You should be hitting 12's shortly. :2thumbs:
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Re: Best ET ever!
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2008 - 03:52:57 PM »
Congrats, Torred (Jeff?)!! :cheers:  You should be hitting 12's shortly. :2thumbs:

I`m hoping!I`m gonna try a couple jet changes and see if I pick up anything.
Jeff
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Re: Best ET ever!
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2008 - 08:48:01 PM »
Congrats! :burnout:

Not to highjack your thread, but what's your setup on the 340? I'm going to be building one for my car very shortly, and am impressed by the numbers you're putting up. Any advice?

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Re: Best ET ever!
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2008 - 09:05:34 PM »
Jeff great job, hood is looking good too!  See you tomorrow.

Tom :2thumbs:
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Re: Best ET ever!
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2008 - 10:27:51 PM »
Very nice #s!!! Whats your combo? Good luck achieveing your goal. Your so close!! :jumping: :2thumbs:
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Re: Best ET ever!
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2008 - 10:34:25 PM »
What gear?  What RPM did you shift?
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Re: Best ET ever!
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2008 - 07:05:37 AM »
After wiping my Mopar .508 hyd. last season the new cam is a solid Comp XS274 .502/.511 lift 110 lobe sep.Stock steel crank and rods,TRW forged pistons,balanced,about 9.2-1 compression.Heads are "J" castings with 2.02`s and have been ported but I don`t have flow numbers.Centerforce clutch,4 spd,3.91`s in the 8 3/4 with a recently slipping sure grip turning the drag radials.Car weighs about 3530 with me in it and is set up for handing not the drags so my 60` aren`t very impressive usually in the high 1.9`s-2.0`s.I`ve only been to the track 3 times this year with the new cam so I have way more carb tuning to do-jets,pump cams,squirters etc.Carb is a Holley 750 DP with a proform main body,current intake is an LD 340 but I also want to try a couple different intakes as well.
Here`s the complete run,temp in the low 60`s,track is only 100 or so feet above sea level.Launching around 3000,shifting at 6000(may try upping shift point as well as old cam liked revving to 6800!)
60`...1.947
330...5.477
1/8...8.453
mph...82.28
1000...11.033
1/4...13.211
mph...103.62
Jeff
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Re: Best ET ever!
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2008 - 10:39:16 AM »
You can work on your tune but your biggest problem is that 60ft time! At your power level you should easily be in the 1.7s. That alone would get you a solid high 12 second timeslip!!! :2thumbs:
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Re: Best ET ever!
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2008 - 02:20:38 PM »
Totally agree with Dave 72!  It's in the 60'  But, there could be some time hiding in the incrementals, too.  Your back end incremental is only .03 second slower than my record run!  Your gains will be in the first 1/8 mile.

Just for grins and giggles give this a shot.

Try to slip the clutch instead of the tires until the car is moving some.  If you're already doing that, play with the full engagement points.  Don't worry about controlled spin on the shifts, the tire is storing momentum which it will use to push the car forward when it bites.  Uncontrolled slip is another story and that is identified by the back end trying to switch with the front.  Disengage the clutch just enough to unload the trans to make the shift w/o killing it.  When I drove a stick car that was about half pedal travel.  Maybe a bit more for 2-3 because of the forward and across gate.

Shift 1-2 @ 5000  Car now has momentum, load the engine some.  Promotes cylider pressure.
Shift 2-3 @ 5500  Loads motor again.
Shift 3-4 @ 5500 and then let it eat!

See what happens to the incrementals.

Launch technique will affect 60'. 

I was going to say you have too much gear but with a 340 stick you might need it to get the car moving w/o bogging.  It's a little less busy with a converter. 

My set up is similar to yours but with a 904 and 4000 stall behind a 360, stock heads, 486 cam, 9.8 compression, RPM air gap manifold and 650 Holley HP.  Jetting was 72 P/74S.  Air was 84' above sea level and I'm on 26" Mickey Thompon ET Drags.  I think your tires are about the same diameter as mine.

Launch RPM was 2500 to smack the converter and shift points 1-2 @ 5200 and 2-3 @ 4635.  The 1-2 was a error as I set the light at 4800.  I short shifted to third to make up for it and it worked.  This is the record for me.

60'  1.714
330' 5.145
660' 8.075
MPH 83.74
1000' 10.629
1/4  12.803
MPH 103.87

By contrast this run made 40 minutes before when the air was 214' came out like this

60'  1.714
330' 5.149
660' 8.091
MPH 83.13
1000' 10.649
1/4  12.826
MPH 103.06

1-2 @5310
2-3 @ 5620 (on the rev limiter for a tenth of a second)

I had the shift light brightness set too low (accidentally) and definately missed the 4800/4900 set points!  This would have been the record run to be broken by the next had I been on my game!

The point is, when I load the motor by short shifting it runs harder.  I can feel it in the seat and the accelerometer in the data logger shows it too.  These runs were from 2005 and I've never had air this good for comparison since.  Also, when I switched out the 4.10 to the 3.55 it was worth a half second.  A taller tire would accomplish the same effect.  High RPM isn't always the answer with these motors.  I discovered this during the 01 season with a 2 channel playback tach that downloaded into my laptop.  Found the driveshaft speed graph looked like an abreviated parabollic curve.  Found the apex and set shift points below it.  Experimented with lower points until finding the loss point between gears.  In other words, overlayed driveshaft curves parallel in both lower and higher gear.  Depending on weather I can shift at 4500 or 5000 with no difference in accelerometer reading or driveshaft curve.  Went from a 14.214 second car to a 13.80 car overnight, literally, with no other changes than driver input.  Was shifting at 6000 prior to learning this.  My first national win was in my second competitive race after sitting out for 30 years to raise my kids as a result.

And people say drag racing is simple!
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Re: Best ET ever!
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2008 - 06:23:53 PM »
Never thought lowering my shift points would improve my et but it`s worth a try.I have been leaving around 3000 and dumping the clutch and the drag radials hook pretty good with no bog but I`ll also try and slip the clutch and see if it helps.Your rimes are .2-.3 better than mine for the first half but are mph is pretty close,shows there is hope for my 12 second run yet!I`ll be going up this week for more test & tune getting ready for the street tire class on Mopar day this saturday so I`ll experiment a little.
What do have for suspension setup?
Jeff
72 Barracuda 340/4spd  Torred
70 roadrunner 383/auto  In-Violet
70 Duster 360/auto drag car  (Petty Blue soon)
04 Ram 2500 5.7 Hemi