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Offline mikerallye

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how many 340's here will do 13's
« on: September 21, 2008 - 01:38:30 PM »
I am wanting to get my 340 challenger in the low 13's. Any proven combos that will do that?   :burnout:




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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2008 - 01:48:39 PM »
What is your current setup? What compression ratio, what size cam, what heads, what rear end gears? I know of at least two Challengers with mildy ported X heads that are in the 11's one has 3.91 gears and the other has 4.56 gears.
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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2008 - 03:48:04 PM »
The heads make all the difference on the flow for a 340. Also compression. The 72 340 heads are only 1.94" I think it is. Earlier, are 2.02" You could resort to aftermarket heads but then cost comes in. Opt for 360 heads and get them worked.

 Here's some info that may be helpful. This is a 318 mentioned mind you but the engines are cousins.

The "X" heads and the other 2.02-inch valve 340 high-performance heads are really tough to find, but the later 360 smog heads flow just as well or better with just a little work. These are easy to find, and also came on factory four-barrel 318s. Just have them machined for 2.02-inch intake valves. With a minor bowl clean-up, they will be as good or better than the 340 heads. The problem with all the 340/360 heads on a 318 is the chamber measures about 70 cc, which will drop the compression to an unworkable low ratio on a 318. You can forget about decent performance with these heads and the stock pistons, so again, a set of moderately priced aftermarket pistons is the answer.

I'll spell out the most cost effective and simplest combination. Start with the new domed Keith Black 318 pistons, which have a net dome volume of 6.2 cc. Drop these hypereutectic pistons in your block, and you'll have about 10.5:1 compression with a set of 360 or 340 heads, without having to spend the money for milling the heads or decking the block. The short dome is perfect for this combo. Just grab a set of 360 smog heads, have them rebuilt, machined for 2.02 intake valves (including a 75-degree bottom cut), and finish with some mild bowl work. Toss that Torker intake in the garbage (it's junk), and get an RPM AirGap intake and a 750-cfm carb. Use a .904-inch tappet hydraulic cam (Comp, Hughes, Lunati, or Engle) with between 224- and 230-degrees duration at .050-inch on the intake side, and a lobe separation no wider than 110 degrees. Put this combo together with headers, and you will be a 318 legend.


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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2008 - 06:42:23 PM »
Thanks guys, currently it the 73 cast crank 340. I have headman headers, rpm airgap, edelbrock 750 vacuum sec., 323 sure grip and stock torqueflite. stock ignition. I guess it runs in the 14s now. It is about the same price to build a stroker 418? as mess with compression and heads right? I would love to see it run low 13s and still be a good street car. I bet there are several 340 here that can do easy 13 passes.  :burnout:

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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2008 - 06:54:18 PM »
In 1970, The Rapid Transit System had a 340 Duster in the line up. In order for a model of the make to be in the RTS, it had to do the 1/4 mile in the 13 second category. That particular Duster was a 4 speed 3:91 rear. It was a high 13 but none the less, thats what the combo was to get there.

Keep in mind the Dusters weight vs. an E body.
E body 340 car set up the same, was a 14 second car...factory stock.
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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2008 - 06:58:47 PM »
You should run what you have now and see where you are starting.

IMHO Stock 340 low compression is going to need gears and a converter to get there.

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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2008 - 07:09:12 PM »
A friend of mine has a 70 Dart that has the stock 14" rims with small tires (G60's?) with a performer intake, a 700 ED carb, some kind of Hughes cam and headers and it does 12.90's with the original shortblock with over 100K miles. It has 3.55 gears. His best mod yet was dumping his 700 Holley that had a Proform main body and installing the ED carb he borrowed from me. That got him 3 tenths. He wouldn't give the carb back and ended up buying it from me. He shifts it at only 5,000rpm because he's afraid of blowing up the 39yo block that's never had the heads off or I'm sure it would run even better.  It's stock weight with a bench seat and column shifter and it has the stock 727 and convertor.  :dunno: 
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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2008 - 07:10:53 PM »
My old tranny guy told me that his mother in 1969 bought new a dart with a 340 and a 4 speed. He use to take it out on the weekends, put slicks on the back and run 12.90's in the quarter and this was basically a stock dart. I would assume it was a 3.91 gear car. Also you have a couple of things against you on your 340 (most likely) lower compression, low flow heads and a small cam. I've heard of challenger with 3.23 gears mild iron heads 10:1 pistons and a good cam running high 12's so its not that hard and this is on a non stroker motor. Comp cams did a write up where they took a bone stock 340 with 10:1 pistons and X heads went through and installed an air gap intake, 800 thunder avs carb, bigger cam, headers and a couple of other minor changes and it made 400 hp which is more than enough to get into the deep 13's even on 3.23 gears.
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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2008 - 07:35:52 PM »
He has a stock low compression 340 now.  What were they  for compression?  You guys are using a true 10 to 1 motor vs his ?8.5-1?  He also has a stock 72 340 cam.  Not sure how that = 13 seconds.

Everything I see in literature says that a 72 challenger 340 car runs 14.8 @ 91 mph.  0-60 in 8.2.

It can be done but He wants it to remain fairly streetable.  So getting some decent compression and a cam to match will help.

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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2008 - 07:46:40 PM »
I am wanting to get my 340 challenger in the low 13's. Any proven combos that will do that?   :burnout:

Torredcuda has a 340 in his cuda running low 13's and it is streetable, He has a 4spd too. 

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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2008 - 08:13:52 PM »
It is starting to look like this: new higher compression pistons, 3.91 rear, some head mods? Are the Aeroheads  advertised in Mopar Muscle mag any good? They are certainly priced right. $499 pr assembled.   :money:

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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2008 - 08:25:07 PM »
I'm not do convinced you need more compression to do 13's with a 340. I did 12's with a 318 that didn't even have 8 to 1. Granted it was as lighter car, but that motor would have easily did 13's in a E-body  car for sure. Some better rear gears would definately be a big help.  :thumbsup:
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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2008 - 12:08:47 AM »
The 4.30 posi is what I used with 360 a-999 (2400 rpm stall) stock converter, actually the 1974 Barracuda ran 12.54 @ 108+MPH with 28x9" slicks, leaving at 2000 rpm, 2.02's in J 1972, 340 heads. It was the 4.30's that woke it up, and the same engine leaving at 1100 rpm in the 1968 notchback ran 12.84 with 26"x10" street Kelly's last month. I use the LD-340 with Holley 780 vac.sec.(3310-2) and chrome box with P3690430 dist. set @ 36* total mechanical advance only. I'm putting the 5.13 spooled carrier in the 1968 for some starting line scoot next and the 4.30 posi goes back in the 1974, 440 cuda for the same reason.

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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2008 - 12:19:42 AM »
I had 4.30's in my 318 Cuda. They were the perfect 1/4 mile gear with the low geared 904 with a stock convertor  :2thumbs:
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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2008 - 03:46:54 AM »
It is starting to look like this: new higher compression pistons, 3.91 rear, some head mods? Are the Aeroheads  advertised in Mopar Muscle mag any good? They are certainly priced right. $499 pr assembled.   :money:
are these just ported factory heads ?

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