how many 340's here will do 13's

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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2008 - 10:32:15 PM »
I hope you're wrong about the parts, but I'll find out. It already took out the 3.91 rear that I had in it first. I hope it was just because it was an OEM gearset from a '69 Superbee. All I have left as a spare now is the 4.56's in the basement. I'll need some 30" tall tires to run that and the low gear and 9 1/2" convertor will have to go. 
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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2008 - 10:38:46 PM »
Ouch, I was just kidding on the eating part.LOL

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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2008 - 10:44:55 PM »
The 8 3/4 should be adequate with an automatic. I just maybe need some gears that aren't 40 years old. The 3.55's are OEM mopar gears too so I'll see if I can break them first. I had that synthetic lube in the rear with the 3.91's and I'm not using that again. I just have old school gear lube in it this time. :2thumbs:
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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2008 - 10:47:08 PM »
What was you MPH??

 Will have to look for the card, but mid to low nineties I think.  

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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2008 - 10:51:19 PM »
You'll need a high 90's to get into the 13's. Maybe 98/99 if you're hooking up.
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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2008 - 08:55:15 AM »
I was reading an old Mopar Action mag where Dick Landy answered a tech question dealing with low compression 340 engines: He stated that milling .050 from the head would raise compression from 8.5 to 9.5 or there abouts. Is this correct? Will the intake have to be milled as well?   :biggrin:

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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2008 - 09:36:14 AM »
This engine is close to my location. Wonder what it will run in the 1/4? Couldn't post the complete url just the ebay item number. 110290175846
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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2008 - 09:44:56 AM »
Sounds about right. It's almost like having the piston heads higher in the bores with an open chamber head. You just have to mill the Intake face of the head too, and your Intake will bolt right on. I don't know the exact amount but will look it up. The machinist has to be very careful not to hit the "eyebrow" on the Intake seats that stick up. That limits how much you can mill. If you're going to buy the Aero heads you might be able to request the extra milling as an option. I sent you a PM.
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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2008 - 09:58:55 AM »
This engine is close to my location. Wonder what it will run in the 1/4? Couldn't post the complete url just the ebay item number. 110290175846
Anyone else having problems copying and pasting form Ebay lately?

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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2008 - 10:56:32 AM »
milling the heads & block will affect intake fitment , there are better ways to do this by just ordering the correct piston

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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2008 - 11:13:35 AM »
If you mill the correct amount off the Intake face of the heads the manifold will bolt right on. If you buy pistons and rings and probably bore the block OS, then it's a bunch more $$$ and a complete engine rebuild costing probably $2,000, but the cheapest way to bump the compression on a good shortblock is by shaving the heads. Probably $100 in machining + gaskets. If you still have good compression and the motor's still in good shape it's worth doing if you're changing the heads anyway. My :2cents:     
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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2008 - 12:46:51 PM »
Goody runs 13.68 best time IIRC with his 318 and 391's and a tight 3500ish converter.

If I hadn't been a broke 17 year old, and stranded from my daily driver when building my engine..I'd have some better figures.

Things I'd Change:
*I'm limited to my .480"lift cam sadly, thanks to super cheap cast pistons and the milled heads.
*Good .509ish cam
*Smooth the runners in the j-heads some
*Have a better designed exhaust (just about anything is better)
*28" Slicks with some front tires that don't weight 45lbs each (Bullitts)
*This is the first carb'd car I've ever tuned, so certainly someone could dial it in better.
*All I've heard is how I'd run faster with a Holley over a Edelbrock

So thats what'd I'd do with my hoopty, It'd run solid 12s. With a tire change, and a couple tweaks 13.3-13.4 isn't out of the question here.
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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2008 - 03:23:18 PM »
I looked over your combo at your site and I must say it was an incredibly good combination of parts for a young guy. If i would do anything different it would probably be a different brand of cam like an Engle or even an MP (even if it's about the same lift), I would have got the bigger 800 AVS and I would have did some head porting work. They need work under the valves when you put the bigger valves in. That's where the biggest restriction is and working on the runners themselves will only help a very little on a little 318. The bigger carb (I used an 800 Thermoquad) and head work will improve your MPH a bunch. I don't know how much the tires are hurting your gear ratio but they look really tall. If you run it again see what RPM it traps at. I would think you can improve your 60 ft time with some shorter drag radials or 9" slicks. Where did you shift it at? A 318 is not a torque motor like a 360 or stroker and it needs to rev to ET best. At least mine did. I think I shifted it at either 6,200 or 6,500 to get the best ET's, but that was with some pretty substantial porting on the heads in the valve bowels and around the guides. Maybe 20/25 hrs worth. :2thumbs:   
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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2008 - 09:12:52 PM »
could someone tell me what they think my car will do in the 1/4..i have no track near me.. first the car is about 300 pds lighter than stock. ive dynod the car five times non stroked 340, it made 500 horse on motor 615 horse on nos 9 inch street slicks  391 gears 3 in exhuast ?? thanx

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Re: how many 340's here will do 13's
« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2008 - 09:17:21 PM »
Back to the original question... 340s are easy to get in the 13s. When the rest of the car is set up to hook and accelerate. My '74, that had a '68 340 stock longblock and a stick, with 3.23s, would run 13.80s without the juice. All due respect 71, no way you need all that improved fuel delivery for any system under 200hp. Retard the timng 2° for every 100hp rated, and drop the fuel pressure to 4psi, and I ran 9 series Champions in it with a Jacobs ignition. That's it. That car was fed by a factory 5/16 line, and AC Delco stock replacement fuel pump, and a $6 Purolator pressure regulator to drop the limne pressure from 5.5psi to 4. With the 175hp plate on it, it went 12.50s, and I never used it in 1st. All runs were with Sonic Turbos (lol old school) and Dunlop GT Qualifier Radials. That engine had a Comp 268H High Energy cam, and a stock Tquad and Tquad intake. I did tune the heck out of it. In any event, the 340 needs gear, and static compression, and then it wakes up. No reason why a pretty much stock long block 340 can't touch the 13s with headers, better tires, a modern cam, and a rear gear steeper than 3.55s. You would need a convertor too. 340s dont have the highest torque figures. They like to live above 3K. I used to side step the clutch at 3200, and shift at 6000. If the car is not numbers matching and there is money enough to do a performance rebuild on that 340, go to 416. It's not much more, and the result is the ultimate street smallblock.