What Motor Oil Do You Use?

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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2008 - 10:36:28 AM »
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The only thing that caught me off guard with Royal Purple is the fact that it is really purple when it comes out of the bottle.

Hence the name, right...?  :grinyes:

I use Royal Purple without trouble, too, but Shell Rotella is very good, too. A tank of Shell premium gas every so often cuts down on engine deposits, too.

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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2008 - 05:35:16 PM »
The new Rotella is no good, I don't think your going to find any of the old Rotella stuff anymore.
(READ THE BACK LABEL) if you don't see CI-4 PLUS then you don't want it..
Still available is Mobil Delvac 1300 15w/40w CI-4 Plus , I think Wal-marts and some auto stores have it.

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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2008 - 08:30:33 PM »
The new Rotella is no good, I don't think your going to find any of the old Rotella stuff anymore.
(READ THE BACK LABEL) if you don't see CI-4 PLUS then you don't want it..
Still available is Mobil Delvac 1300 15w/40w CI-4 Plus , I think Wal-marts and some auto stores have it.

Good to know. Thanks.

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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2008 - 09:19:50 PM »
I recently come acroos this product at a local corvette shop. I bought a couple bottles of it.That way I can run whatever oil I want. Even though I still haven't got my moter together yet.  :icon16:

http://www.zip-products.com/Zip/productr.asp?pf%5Fid=M%2D3835&gift=False&HSLB=False&mscssid=0D22189FB964C460FB351274646A434D

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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2008 - 11:21:16 PM »
Mobil Delvac is no longer CI-4 Plus it is now CJ-4. Ford Motorcraft Diesel oil is still CI-4. I have 4 quarts of Delvac and one of Motorcraft ready for my next oil change.

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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2008 - 11:27:11 PM »
Castrol GTX 20W-50 for the past 30 + years. when ya have a good thing, why change it

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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2008 - 11:36:00 PM »
Castrol GTX 20W-50 for the past 30 + years. when ya have a good thing, why change it

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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2008 - 12:42:53 PM »
Castrol GTX 20W-50 for the past 30 + years. when ya have a good thing, why change it


because they changed the formula, if its SM rated u dont want it.
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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2008 - 01:12:33 PM »
dont know what that means, but it is still working just fine for me

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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2008 - 02:21:47 PM »
dont know what that means, but it is still working just fine for me

What he means is the newer oil with an SM rating has no zinky, so you cam will go clinky.   :lol:

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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2008 - 03:03:00 PM »
i see. when did they change this formula? 30+ years is a pretty good running record IMO.

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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2008 - 12:38:44 AM »
The new Rotella is no good, I don't think your going to find any of the old Rotella stuff anymore.
(READ THE BACK LABEL) if you don't see CI-4 PLUS then you don't want it..
Still available is Mobil Delvac 1300 15w/40w CI-4 Plus , I think Wal-marts and some auto stores have it.

The non-synthetic Rotella with the big golden swirl on the label is the new junky stuff.  The older labels are blue-white-silver-grey with the shell logo.  I picked up (the last) two bottles at a local Advance store just last month.  So far every one of those I've seen has the CI-4 Plus marking.

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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2008 - 09:10:55 PM »
Just looked at the 4 gallons of Mobil Delvac I bought in wal-mart a few days ago, still CI-4 PLUS...
Problem is I got that dumba$$ 7qt oil pan on the Cuda so I need extra all the time..
You can always get some E.O.S. at the dealer..............

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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2008 - 09:27:51 PM »
I don't know if the dealers down at school (Carbondale, IL) just didn't know what they were talking about, but they told me GM discontinued EOS.  One of them did a search and located a dealer with several cases, and I bought one up.  So I don't know how much longer it can be had from GM dealerships.

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Re: What Motor Oil Do You Use?
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2008 - 09:47:30 PM »
Here's more info on the product I listed. Looks like the best alternative. EOS was discontinued  :banghead:

IMPORTANT NEWS on a New Product - ZDDPlus™
It's a well-known fact among engine re-builders and auto mechanics that older engines, especially the flat tappet performance engines manufactured before 1988, require an oil additive known as ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl-Dithio-Phosphate). This additive has been the most effective extreme pressure additive found in quality motor oils for almost 70 years.

ZDDP is a surface modifier that alters bearing and journal surface characteristics to prevent metal-to-metal contact. Under conditions of increased heat and pressure, the ZDDP molecule quickly plates over the contact surface with an extremely thin glass-like film and provides a sacrificial coating. As soon as the engine conditions get back to normal, the film dissipates back into the oil solution. This action prevents the lifter and cam from making contact and greatly reduces the tendency of parts to scuff and gall under heavy-loaded boundary lubrication situations.

Camshafts (flat tappet design) and lifters found in the high-performance engines definitely fit this category, due to high velocities and accelerations required to open and close valves many times per second. This condition is also found in the piston wrist pins of diesel and other engines. In other words, this description clearly fits the characteristics of the older engines (1988 and earlier).

Back before 1988, normal amounts of ZDDP could be found in our domestic oils. The API grade “SG” oils contained in excess of 0.12% ZDDP by weight. The API grade of oil prior to this was “SF” and had ZDDP concentrations in excess of 0.15%. For more than 20 years, it was possible to buy EOS from GM in a 16-ounce bottle. Although EOS contained a reasonable amount of the ZDDP molecule, the product was withdrawn from the market in the second quarter of 2007.

In recent years, the EPA required new car manufacturers to guarantee catalytic converters for over 100,000 miles. The use of the additive ZDDP would most likely void new car warranties. Newer cars with roller rocker assemblies do not need ZDDP in the motor oil for protection.

There are still some single-weight racing oils that contain various amounts of ZDDP, which would offer protection. However, because it is a single-weight oil, it is not the proper oil for many street-driven, high-performance cars. The actual percentage of ZDDP in these special racing oils may or may not be the proper concentration of 0.15% that was found back in 1988 oils under the SF category.

With ZDDPlus™ one 4-ounce bottle poured into a typical 5-quart oil tank brings the ZDDP back to the SF designated level of 0.15% by weight. This matches the original motor oil ZDDP concentration available in 1988 (SF category).

ZDDPlus™ works with any motor oil you’re currently using, including synthetics. It’s the best combination of ingredients for lubrication of extreme pressure points. This is critical in cars/trucks that have flat tappet cams.

Our bottles feature a child proof cap and proper warnings for its use. ZDDPlus™ has a long shelf life, as long as it’s kept sealed and stored where temperatures do not exceed 120 degrees.

The need for this product is huge, since every older performance or classic car, regardless of make or model, needs ZDDP in its motor oil. ZDDPlus™ is not to be used in any OBD II cars (1995 and newer) since it can prematurely erode the catalytic converters.

More information on this important subject can be researched on the internet. Simply type in “ZDDP” and any car model you desire. Or search on “Flat Cam.” Most car models have discussion boards and forums on this problem. While many contemporary problems are discussed, many topics are not suitable for the typical older classic cars or performance cars/trucks.

What about using diesel oils in classic cars? This is not a good alternative for several reasons. Diesel oils contain detergents required for soot and ash control and actually reduce the effectiveness of the added levels of ZDDP. Diesels also have higher bearing clearances, which require higher viscosity oils. As new diesel oil categories get introduced, the amount of ZDDP concentration in the oil will diminish.

The perfect solution to the lack of ZDDP in the current “SM” rated oils is the new product, ZDDPlus™. Our handy 4-ounce bottle has the proper concentration of ZDDP to bring any SM oil category back to SF specifications.

We have conducted analytical tests on almost every well-known current additive and cam break-in lube and none match, or even come close, to the ZDDP content in ZDDPlus™. Test reports are available for review.

The manufacturer of ZDDPlus™ is an avid car enthusiast and discovered the urgent need for this product to save old car engines a few years ago. We realized that oil companies have been forced to remove ZDDP levels because today’s car manufacturers now have to warranty catalytic converters for over 100,000 miles. ZDDP actually shortens the life span of the catalytic converter, raising warranty issues. Also, since cars now have roller lifters, it eliminates the need for ZDDP. The vehicles that fall through the cracks are the older performance and classic cars and trucks. The ZDDPlus™ bottle label clearly states, “Intended for use on PRE-OBD...vehicles only.”

We are a major distributor to promote and distribute ZDDPlus™ to the wholesale and retail market. It is not often that a product comes along that crosses over to virtually every car/truck line and model.

Remember, it’s less than $10 per oil change to protect your engine. That’s an affordable cost to any owner of an old car.

GAS ENGINES OIL SPECS
CATEGORY STATUS SPECIFICATIONS
SM Current For all current vehicle engines
SL Current For engines 2004 and older
SJ Current For engines 2001 and older
 
SH Discontinued For engines 1996 and older
SG Discontinued For engines 1993 and older
SF Discontinued For engines 1988 and older
SE Discontinued Not acceptable for gasoline-powered vehicles engines made after 1979
SD Discontinued Not acceptable for gasoline-powered vehicles engines made after 1971

 
 
But what about the claims of the various additives?
We make virtually no claims for ZDDPlus™ EXCEPT that it restores the EP function of the oil to the level originally required for an older car. Other additives make claims so ludicrous, they cannot be accepted based on common sense alone. Consider, for example, fuel mileage – The ONLY proven fuel-mileage claim is that of the newer, lower viscosity API-rated ENERGY CONSERVING grades of oil, which claim 1.5% for the Type 1 EC, and 2.7% for the Type II EC oils. Note that this claim is in percent, not mpg. If an additive was to actually boost fuel mileage 20% or more, as some claim, then auto manufacturers would have found the very cheapest tool to increase their CAFÉ fuel ratings possible! If there were any truth at all to their claims, it is certain that virtually every car built would leave the assembly line with those products installed!

Can an oil or additive have Zn and not P and still contain ZDDP?
It’s important to note that the wear protection properties are due only to the characteristics of the ZDDP molecule and not to Zn or P in the oil in other forms or from other sources. This means that, if a particular motor oil mentions the addition of Zn alone or P alone, the ZDDP molecule is not present in that motor oil. The ratios of Zn and P can be manipulated by simply adding Zinc salts or phosphates, but again, this does not produce ZDDP and has no anti-wearing action.

Last, depleted ZDDP releases Zn and P into the motor oil and testing for levels of the pure elements is not a gauge of the status of the ZDDP level. What does this mean? If you see an oil additive or a motor oil listing only a level of Zn without a level of P, then there is no ZDDP in that product.

ZDDPlus™ QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
What is ZDDPlus™?
ZDDPlus™ is an oil supplement that contains very high concentrations of the well-known additive ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl-Dithio-Phosphate), which has been the primary EP (Extreme Pressure) ingredient in all quality motor oils for over 70 years.

Why do I need ZDDP?
The EPA has put stricter emission requirements on new cars, which have influenced manufacturers to remove ZDDP from motor oils. If you have an older car that was specified to use SF or earlier motor oil, its design requires ZDDP. Your car could be damaged with the use of modern SM oils.

What do the oil grades such as “SF” indicate?
In the API (American Petroleum Institute) Classification System, “S” and “C” are the two basic application categories of oil. “S” is intended for gasoline use and “C” is intended for diesel use. “A” was the first grade in each category and resulted in “SA” and “CA” grade oils. Each progressed farther up the alphabet as new grades of oil were introduced. The newest grades are “SM” and “CJ” respectively.