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Offline Srobinson4

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Fuel Problems
« on: October 05, 2008 - 08:42:28 AM »
I was sitting in a line at a fast food restaurant with my car at idle.  After about 3 minutes it just stopped.  I put the peddle half way to the floor and restarted the car.  It stopped once again but I managed to get it home about thirteen miles away.  Fast forward to yesterday, I was out again and the car stopped again at idle while at a red light.  Although it started again, I am concerned that this may happen and I can't get it started.  Please help.  The car was restored about 2 years ago, has new fuel lines, fuel tank, fuel filter, etc.

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Re: Fuel Problems
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008 - 08:43:29 AM »
is it getting hot when it happens? maybe vapor lock?

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Re: Fuel Problems
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2008 - 08:58:51 AM »
is it getting hot when it happens? maybe vapor lock?

No the car dosn't run hot at all, in fact it runs very cool.  But when I turn it off some times it makes a humming noise that one person said is coming from the fuel system.  Can you tell me what vapor lock is and how to solve this problem?

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Re: Fuel Problems
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2008 - 09:51:39 AM »
Are you sure it's a fuel problem? The electrical system could also give you the same type of complaint. The immediate restart is a sign that it is likely not fuel-related. With that said, a little about vapor-lock: Vapor-lock is a condition where the fuel boils in a portion of the fuel system, turning into a vapor. The fuel pump is designed to pump a liquid, and cannot move the "bubble", once it is in the pump itself. Normally, when this condition occurs, the removal of the heat from the affected part is the most effective solution to your problem. Vaporization of fuel at the carburetor is often easier to overcome than vaporization at the pump, and can be dealt with by restarting the engine. The crank time will be extended, and may also exhibit signs of a flooded engine. The smell of gasoline is usually very strong when the fuel is boiled out of the carb during extended idling or heat-soak while turned off. Another problem we now have, is that gasoline is no longer formulated for delivery by a carburetor. It is no longer formulated with as good resistance to boiling, because it is kept under pressure in a fuel injection rail, usually above 30 psi. No consideration is given to those vehicles that require "gasoline boilover protection". We must adapt. If your problem is indeed vapor-lock, it is likely due to heat buildup at the fuel pump. In most cases, an electric pump can be installed to "boost" the fuel from the fuel tank to the mechanical pump, and help keep vapor-lock at bay through pressurizing the fuel between the tank and the mechanical pump. If the heat is just too much, eliminating the mechanical pump is the only good alternative. Should the problem be electrical, the first culprits to check are the ignition switch, the grounds, and the connections in the ignition system. On electronic ignitions, failing pickup coils often act in this way.

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Re: Fuel Problems
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2008 - 10:15:44 AM »
Thanks guys.  I will get started on isolating this problem.

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Re: Fuel Problems
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2008 - 10:42:54 AM »
You didn't mention what carb you have, but maybe the idle mixture screws are set too lean.  :dunno:


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Re: Fuel Problems
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2008 - 12:08:32 PM »
coil  or ballast could be getting hot & shutting down

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Re: Fuel Problems
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2008 - 03:02:44 PM »
Also to extend on what Supercuda said - you may have to insulate your fuel lines inside the engine compartment. We do this all the time in airplanes to avoid fuel boiling using Aeroquip Firesleeve products. In my Chally I put a recirc system back to the tank so that fuel circulates from the (near the tank mounted) electric pump all the way back and picks up cool fuel again. I have a Russel common rail fuel pipe that delivers fuel to both Proform bowls. One end has the 3/8 line in and the other end has a restricted 1/4" line back to the tank.  Of course if you are #'s matching then you may not want to do this. One day I will post some pics when I an get them to a low enough resolution.
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Re: Fuel Problems
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2008 - 03:38:11 PM »
As mentioned how it is restarting will help tell you what the issue is. If it lights right when you turn the key, it is more likely to be electrical/ignition. If it takes some cranking time, I'd lead more towards fuel related.
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Re: Fuel Problems
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2008 - 04:03:06 PM »
I have a low idle with my car and it would stall if I didn't keep the rev's up so I started driving with both feet.  One on the gas and one on the brake.   This may sound dangerous but I've gotten very use to it and have had no problems.
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Re: Fuel Problems
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2008 - 04:40:40 PM »
Could also be low vacuum or a vacuum leak.  Have you checked that?

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Re: Fuel Problems
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2008 - 07:43:33 AM »
No the car dosn't run hot at all, in fact it runs very cool.  But when I turn it off some times it makes a humming noise that one person said is coming from the fuel system.  Can you tell me what vapor lock is and how to solve this problem?

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The humming noise makes me think of a vacuum created in the system when a non-vented gas cap is used on a vented system or a non-vented system that is not connected to the carburetor purge to allow venting. This creates a "vapor lock" in the gas tank that can cause fuel delivery difficulties. 
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Re: Fuel Problems
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2008 - 09:30:28 PM »
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Now that I have learned how to shrink my highly oversized pics here goes........ to continue this thread I explained how I installed a recirc back to the tank by using the vapour return line. In thepicture you can see the Russell fuel manifold hat feeds the two Proform bowls. At the front is the line back to the tank. I have restricted the fuel flow by placing an 8/32 nut inside the connection that stops a lot of bypass and it does not go down the hose. I have the Mallory 140GPH internal regulated pump at the tank and the guage pressure at the carburetor is around 5-6PSI.
Please excuse the wiring. It is definitely not the finished product.... it was a much hastily installed mockup so CP and I could run this beast
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