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Offline bb71challenger

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Bulkhead connectors
« on: October 26, 2008 - 08:10:48 PM »
I already tried this once but no one came up with a factory bulkhead connector supplier. Does anyone know of a company that is selling these?
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Re: Bulkhead connectors
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2008 - 10:02:31 PM »
I believe I got a good used one. Bullitt99 and I was looking at it today

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Re: Bulkhead connectors
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2008 - 04:11:54 PM »
If you need connector terminals to either replace or add wires then try this. If you have the base that mounts to the firewall then drill a hole through and empty slot so that your desired wire(s) will go through the hole nicely. then use those modern round male/female round plug connectors similar to the ones you see on a U-Haul trailer connection. This way you still have the plug type connection. Unfortunately we cannot get the original spade terminals so we have to put up with these type of fixes.
Another way is to go to a wrecker and get a connector base(from any Dodge/Plymouth product), cut the wiring loom off and purchase the rest to salvage the connectors. I take them off the old wires very gently and crimp/solder them back on to my wires. The terminals come out of the firewall base if you poke a small jeweller screwdriver into the little slot beside the terminal and pull the wire back out from the back. Take a look and think about it for a few minutes before you tug and pull too hard as they come out easy. My ammeter will be reused but the drill and bolt connections will be done beside the steering column. The bulkhead connector is too old and corroded for a high amperage connection like this. Also *important* if you are using the original ammeter and it is still good then make sure the nuts that hold the terminals on the back of the meter are firmly done up. This will prevent a hot joint inside the ammeter. And always hold the ammeter terminal bottom nut with a wrench when tightening the top terminal nuts.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2008 - 04:16:28 PM by 73EStroker »
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Re: Bulkhead connectors
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2008 - 04:46:44 PM »
73E had a lot of good suggestions and cautions.  It's been said before, but it's worth repeating: To keep the current down on those 35-year-old bulkhead connections and ammeters, putting relays in for the headlight circuits will save a bunch of grief.

I patched up one a while back.  It was burnt up and melted around the big red wire. I scavenged a female brass socket (like 73E was describing), cleaned the brass on both the socket and the plug, and set the brass socket in its slot with some JB Weld epoxy.  I plugged in the plug and let it sit.  The next day it was set up and the plug is able to be pulled off and put back on. It's still working fine after at least five years.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2008 - 04:55:17 PM by FY1Cuda »

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Re: Bulkhead connectors
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2008 - 07:45:02 PM »
I think Layson's still have them.....

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Re: Bulkhead connectors
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2008 - 11:33:54 PM »
The Ebay item looks like brand new terminals. Pricey but hopefully you only do it once.
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Re: Bulkhead connectors
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2008 - 12:06:19 AM »
Lotta cool ideas and information, thanks guys.
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Re: Bulkhead connectors
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2008 - 12:20:47 AM »
People - I live in a small hick town in British Columbia and I was in a local parts store called Lordco. As I was looking for a toggle switch lo and behold I came across the exact terminals that redR/T shows us in this post as a link to EBay. 10 terminals in each male and female packets and they are $6.55CDN each. Looks like they will need a clean up with a small file though as some of them have little pieces of tabs sticking out the side. Anyway they are available and course made in your friendly China.
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Re: Bulkhead connectors
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2008 - 01:44:24 AM »
People - I live in a small hick town in British Columbia and I was in a local parts store called Lordco. As I was looking for a toggle switch lo and behold I came across the exact terminals that redR/T shows us in this post as a link to EBay. 10 terminals in each male and female packets and they are $6.55CDN each. Looks like they will need a clean up with a small file though as some of them have little pieces of tabs sticking out the side. Anyway they are available and course made in your friendly China.

Didn't happen to get a name off the packaging, did you?  Del City sells the terminals for $.19 - $.23 each.
http://www.delcity.net/delcity/servlet/catalog?parentid=9108&page=1
You can also get some of the standard housings for them as well.  You do not need the special crimpers that everyone will try to sell you.  Go slow, have patience.
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Re: Bulkhead connectors
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2008 - 09:50:58 PM »
If you can wait until I log on this coming weekend I will certainly post the label details and (now that I can post em) I will post a couple of pics. It is just that I am not at the hick town until then.
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Re: Bulkhead connectors
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2008 - 12:58:34 AM »
 :newbie: please bear with me, i'm stupid when it comes to wiring! i plan to rebuild by harness and such as i cannot afford to buy new stuff, besides the obvious melted wires, what do i need to look for, and whats the deal with headlight relays?

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Re: Bulkhead connectors
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2008 - 11:51:08 PM »
:newbie: please bear with me, i'm stupid when it comes to wiring! i plan to rebuild by harness and such as i cannot afford to buy new stuff, besides the obvious melted wires, what do i need to look for, and whats the deal with headlight relays?
No problem.  Electrical can be a real mystery until you get a good understanding of it.  The watch-outs on inspecting a harness...look for broken wires, weak connectors, split insulation, etc.  Basically, places for electricity to go where it should not.  Think of a wire as a pipe.  It needs to deliver its load to the right place with no cracks, breaks, leaks.

As for rebuilding your harness, make absolutely sure that you are using at least the wire gauge of the original.  It may be worthwhile to upsize some of the high load wires such as alternator, etc.  If it was 14, make it 12...if it was 12, make it 10.  Also, solder all connections.  The factory didn't, but you're not a mass production, cost-conscious operation.

A little on relays...let's say, for argument's sake that your high beam headlights are 65W each after an H-4 upgrade.  If you have 4 headlights, that is 260W, roughly 22 amps, which is a LOT of juice.  That 22 amps has to travel from the battery, through the engine compartment harness, through the bulkhead connector, through the dash harness, through your DASH SWITCH, through your bright switch, back through the dash harness, back through the bulkhead connectorand back down the forward lighting harness to the headlights.  Sorry to belabor this but it's worth thinking about.  The full amp load for the brights is traveling 20+ feet and through multiple 30+ year old connections.  This is a lot of opportunity for things to go horribly wrong...melting wires, overloading connectors, fire, etc.

A relay takes less than 0.5 amp to trigger.  You turn on the brights.  Now, that 0.5 amp travels the original path from the battery to the dash and back to the engine compartment.  Instead of going to the headlights, it goes to the relay and tells it when to turn on.  Your 14 gauge harness will never break a sweat on 0.5 amp.  Now, let's say you pull a 10 gauge wire from the post on the starter relay and run it to a set of relays under the battery tray.  The 22 amps that is required to run the headlights runs from the starter relay to the High Beam relay and then to the lights, roughly 8 feet, and all NEW wire.

WHEW!  Sorry if that got long winded, but once you've used relays a couple of times, you'll really get a feel for how beneficial they are.  Let me know if I've helped, or added more confusion.
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Re: Bulkhead connectors
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2008 - 12:16:33 AM »
 :wow: thats great thanks a million! not long winded at all....i'm still kinda tryin to get the gist of the relay.. is it kind of a "switched shortcut" for the electrical path or am i way off?

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Re: Bulkhead connectors
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2008 - 12:20:26 AM »
:wow: thats great thanks a million! not long winded at all....i'm still kinda tryin to get the gist of the relay.. is it kind of a "switched shortcut" for the electrical path or am i way off?
You could certainly think of it that way.  I've alwasy thought of itas a little switch that controls a big switch, but whatever makes it "click".  Good luck!

Are you planning to try to reuse the original connection terminals, or use new connectors inside the original housings?  I know that you can pry the old crimp connectors open and recrimp them, but I'm not sure how strong your connections would be.
Brooks

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