thanks vertman,and thanks mek i didnt even consider it might not be mine that would be funny i better not let the wife see this thread she might not help with as much enthusiasm, i almost have all the pieces seperated from the nest and droppings and then she might let me bring it in the house,the idea is to lay a piece of glass over a good build sheet put my pieces on that and then cover with another piece of glass so they dont blow away until done.