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Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« on: November 02, 2008 - 10:45:27 AM »
Yesterday I tore down my Hemi and found out it had the quieter type of timing gear drive. When I built my International Scout engine many years ago, it had one too. From what I heard, that the gear drives are best for engines that do higher RPM's to prevent valve float. Seems like quite a bit of weight added to the valvetrain.
Is this something used more on NHRA funny car engines? Tractor pulls? Good for street/strip?
Anyone else using one?

Keep it or switch back to double roller timing chain for less reciprocating weight?
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Re: Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2008 - 11:03:24 AM »
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Re: Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2008 - 11:12:17 AM »
I don't believe you would notice any difference at all as far as weight goes, I've never heard of weight being an issue either way with them. The gear drives are more accurate for cam timing since they don't get the slop that the timing chains do when they stretch (which they all eventually do). Since you already have the gear drive I would just stick with it. There's really nothing to be gained by going back to a timing chain.
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Re: Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2008 - 11:13:40 AM »
I'll take a stab at this, but I'm sure others can add to it.

Gears provide more stable timing than a chain. Chains flex and create harmonics that can create a slight alteration of valve events in relationship to the crank and ignition. These changes are so slight that most of us will never notice the difference, and unless you living life against a clock where these differences make the difference between going home and winning money, it may not necessarily be worth it. It may also be worth some piece of mind if you are running some close clearances and big cam specs to insure things never go bump at unintended times.

Also, a gear, while marginally heavier that than the toothed wheel, is not going to have a significant impact on the engines ability to accelerate. Again, these differences are so minor that you may not even be able to see them on a dyno and the gains in timing stability usually outweigh the additional rotational mass. They also do not directly add mass to the valve train as the lifters, push rods, rockers and valves are the primary areas where mass is the biggest concern.

There is no big benefit/gain to using them in a mild street engine. If you have them you may as well use them. They do have some value to others, so it may be a way to a make few dollars, but you won't get rich off them.

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Re: Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2008 - 11:18:57 AM »
with higher valve  spring pressures the chains are under a lot of load & will stretch , the gear drive is impervious to this creating a far more stable drive , if you have it I would reuse it

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Re: Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2008 - 12:49:12 PM »
+1 for 'if you have it, use it'
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Re: Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2008 - 06:12:53 PM »
They sound cool, they dont stretch, and they can be adjusted easily to move the cam around. If you have it, cool. If you were looking for the ultimate setup, the Jesel belt systems are the best in terms of harmonics and stability, plus the other mentioned things.

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Re: Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2008 - 06:06:34 AM »
When Big Block Mopar Wedge and Hemi engines are concerned, it comes down to brand of gear drive.  I personally would not use a floating idler gear style set in a Big Block Mopar, when using gear drives, i stick to encapulated units such as the Milidon one.  Expensive but bullet proof when fitted correctly.  Have heard many bad reports with the floating style idler gears and will not risk my engine with that style.

This is just my :2cents: and Personal preferrence though, other people may of had luck with the Chevy style floating idler gear drives :dunno:
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Re: Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2008 - 09:24:43 AM »
It is a floating idler gear. 
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Re: Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2008 - 09:27:10 AM »
Wait and see what others have to say about it TC  :2thumbs: But not for me, not that type. :grinno:
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Re: Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2008 - 12:24:09 PM »
Pete Jackson drives (floating units) are sloppier than chains... But they do sound wicked  :bigsmile: If that's what you have, stick a good chain or a Milodon unit on it.

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Re: Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2008 - 01:09:53 PM »
This appears to be the type in my engine I took out.

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Re: Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2008 - 03:22:45 PM »
 :2cents:For a race car or serious street car, cool. If I was stepping up, I would go with a belt drive over a gear drive for a race car. Any other application it's not worth it (to me). More than likely, the gear drive on your International was not a straight cut gear setup which would be quiet. Pete Jackson's to me are noisy, and you live in CA. IMO you will get pulled over. The less things to draw attention to looking under your hood to me is better.

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Re: Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2008 - 04:32:01 PM »
I run the pete jackson noisy gear drive and i love it.... belt drives r crazy exspensive........ milodon makes a nice unit.......  :working:

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Re: Gear Drive vs. timing chain: Are they worth it?
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2008 - 05:59:39 PM »
:2cents: More than likely, the gear drive on your International was not a straight cut gear setup which would be quiet.


Actually, the International Scout II 304 and 345 C.I. engines all come standard with direct gear to gear drive. No idler gears at all.
I was amazed at how quiet they were to the point you wouldn't even know it had one unless someone told you while it's running.

I wish I still had that beast.
But it was either the Scout goes or Cuda. Cuda won of course.
Mike, Fremont, CA.