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TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« on: November 12, 2008 - 11:15:30 PM »
Did the race T/A cars in 70 use a manual or hydraulic clutch? 
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Re: TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2008 - 11:17:21 PM »
I bet they were a manual.
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Re: TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2008 - 11:21:03 PM »
That is what I was thinking but figured the guru's here would just know that answer off the top of their heads. 
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Re: TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2008 - 03:50:51 AM »
not sure , I have not been close enough to one to check , Barry should know

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Re: TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2008 - 04:19:43 PM »
mechanical linkage

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Re: TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2008 - 07:37:17 PM »
They used mechanical linkage- why mess with success? Hydraulics didn't really become popular in racing until just about 20 years ago or so. Mechanical linkage is usually obvious when it has a problem, and is much easier to fix in the pits on raceday.

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Re: TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2008 - 05:08:14 AM »
 
Mechanical linkage is usually obvious when it has a problem, and is much easier to fix in the pits on raceday.
  A lot easier to "bleed" as well.   :smilielol:   :roflsmiley:
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Re: TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2008 - 07:58:28 PM »
I don't know about that, Aussie. I have always had the worst time getting any fluid from the bleeder screw on the z-bar!

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Re: TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2008 - 08:57:06 PM »
I'd vote for hydraulic.....this AAR recreation (no idea if the Gurney cars and the T/A's were prepped the same) was painstakingly researched during the build - notice 3 holes for master cylinders and 3 resevoirs in the tank above where the masters go (2 for brakes, 1 for clutch). The exhaust was pretty crazy on these cars, I don't think they had the room for the stock bellcrank.
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Re: TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2008 - 11:17:42 PM »
Hydraulic.  This is the engine bay of one of the Gurney #42 AARs.  You can see the resevoir on the right side of the picture.  Notice the headers -like ntstlgl1970 said, there isn't any room for a bell crank.



Here's the engine bay of the #77 Posey Challenger, currently owned by Ken Epsman.  Same resevoir.

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Re: TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2008 - 12:38:17 AM »
Thanks alot! 

Got any more?
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Re: TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2008 - 12:48:54 AM »
A few - just the engine compartments or the whole car?  I even have a little video that shows the rear suspension that I took for HP2 earlier this year.  They were intended to be photos - I didn't realize it until after the fact that I had the camera on the video setting.  :faint:
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Re: TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2008 - 01:04:05 AM »
Mostly engine bay pics or anything that is modified from the regular AAR's. 

  Havn't seen many of these photos. 
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Re: TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2008 - 01:14:25 AM »
Here's a few:






Cockpit:


Rear suspension:


I'm afraid the only other ones I have of the T/A and the AAR are on the track and not of very high quality.



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Re: TA race cars. Hydraulic or manual clutch?
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2008 - 02:45:49 AM »
  Great pic's, noticed alternator on drivers side of motor so better fuel pump access and is that a cage/shroud arrangement around the clutch pedal? possibly stopping foot from hitting wrong pedal on turns?   :burnout:
  Cars back then were always having something new tried so mechanics had to improvise as most "hot parts" just wasn't on the shelf then like it is today.   :working:
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