i appreciate all the willingness to help and while i have no problem adding another mod if its really needed, i question whether it is or not. according to the raw data, we really havent grown much, if at all in the past 6 months. the numbers i see for the previous few months are the same weve seen 2 years ago even. i think in general the site has peaked, with new members still coming in, but probably just as many old members not posting anymore. so the point of all that is the 3 general mod, plus cp as tech mod scheme has seemed to work well. if you guys really want a 5th i can do that, but id like to hear some examples or times when moderation is lacking. one thing that irks me about smaller forums is when they have 20 mods for a board that only gets 10 posts a day... I dont want that happening here.