440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads

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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2008 - 08:46:18 AM »
Well for starters, how about you retract this line that you posted in the quote box in your posting.

quote from another RACER on moaprts "Just got done doing some very mild port work on these 440 Source heads. Nothing new to anyone on here probably, they are alot like the Edelbrocks ofcourse."

Now, i have sat here for months and watched you jump all over people for having their say on different issues through out the board.  All i write is that i would have the 440source head over the Edelbrock and you type "yea right".........  Where i come from their is a thing called respect and you clearly have yet to learn respect for anyone.  This looks like a personal attack on me, forget about not wanting to bash 440source heads.  I am talking about me.

You chopped and pasted your interpretation of what i put down in Black and White for your own well being to make it sound better for you.  If you read what i said, it is clear.  And no way have i ever made claim against the US of A in any disrespectful manner, nor would i ever do that.  You read into it anyway you like, until people take the initiative and spend the time researching and developing what is involved with constructing a cylinder head, then find a foundy that will take on the job, or build an actual kiln yourself and pour the heads yourself, then you will understand what i was talking about.

You keep referring to Moparts about the issues, then why did you not just type in a link and tell him to go have a look instead of getting in my face.  I will not tollerate crap from anyone.

You mention Jeff at Modern cylinder head, he is but one man of one company that uses the Edelbrock CNC program that just happens to use them on the 440source heads. This does not mean that an Edelbrock is the same head, you have a lot to learn about engines, that is like saying the Chapmen CNC ported stage 6 heads are exactly the same as some other companies CNC program for stage 6 heads. could not be further from the truth.

And going back to your quoting about what 73_rally wanted in the way of a head.  It would be cheaper for him to buy 440source heads than to rebuild iron heads and i garauntee the 440source head will outflow any Edelbrock performer head straight out of the box.  Remember he said 383 build, not big HP , so no spending money on CNC porting is what i would read into that.

So if you need any more explainations to what i have just wrote down, please feel free to ask.   And an appology would be nice for getting in my face.

And now i noticed you changed up your original reply to me, what goes on :dunno:
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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2008 - 08:47:00 AM »
Quote from: hemiken on Today at 01:43:03 AM
If you had half a clue what you were talking about, i may of given this some thought.  In what way does a 440source head look or perform like an Mopar Edelbrock head, other than the intake bolts up the same and the standard valve covers can be bolted on each in the same manner.

quote from another RACER on moaprts "Just got done doing some very mild port work on these 440 Source heads. Nothing new to anyone on here probably, they are alot like the Edelbrocks ofcourse."

I would love to know how many sets of heads you have done any port work on and if you infact have even ran your fingers around a 440 source intake runner to feel what shape they are.

I have seen the crap that goes on in Moparts.  It is all a load of crap over there.  All i see is "if it aint American made, i would not buy it" time to wake up people. If you want products at realistic prices and of quality, you have to do the hard yards and make it happen, and if contracting overseas work helps and makes a product cheaper, then so be it.

If i remember rightly, 73_ralley asked the question here, i replied with real world knowledge and not something someone else had writting.  So unless you know what you are talking about, put up or shut up.......... 


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I guess I am just reading too much into the statement made on the 440source website.

"Price: $899/set fully assembled and ready to bolt on!" 

Dwayne, I imagine you might be reluctant to even post right now, but if the heads were to be milled to say 75-78 cc, would the gasket fit better? I would be wanting to duplicate the 78 cc of a 915 I am currently running (they are borrowed heads or they wouldn't be coming off). Thanks for the "heads" up. Some people appreciate your efforts without the critisism.

did you check how much the valve seat overhangs into the throat too? IMO thats a HUGE issue. and judging by those
pics dwayne posted, i don't think a simple dowlpin adjustment is gonna fix it.
Dwayne, I just want to say again, props to you for all your input on these heads     . In my book you're a stand-up guy for inspecting these heads thoroughly, then freely posting your perspective on them for us all to see. Thank you for the info you have provided to us so far, and I would love to see the full flow chart for these heads when you can post it.

A big    to all of those giving Dwayne a hard time over this. He's supplying us all this information for free, and I am thorougly disgusted at anyone who has to gives him any crap over this.
Wow...I've always been totally neutral about your stuff...but if you think that Dwayne is biased after all these years of reading his posts on this board...then you are really clueless.

And if you can't see the problems in his pics...then you also know very little about the products you sell.
just purely out of curiousity, if you move the gasket around on the head to make it fit better, how does it line
up with the cylinder bore? i'm trying to picture it but can't.

Ok, now this is getting nauseating..  Brandon had a hissy fit and some of you fell right into the game.. As I have said, I could care less if brandon posts here or not, 99.9% of what he posts has to do with promotion of his products, which is fine, he IS an advertiser here, he PAYS to do so, which is a lot more than some can say around here, but to feel bad cause he has become upset over the critiquing of his products is a little over the top. 
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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2008 - 08:50:54 AM »
ken I dont know what your problem is with me as you bash me in chat but thats okay... I changed my post cause it wasnt letting me put in more than 10,000 charcters and had to keep replying cause you asked for proof  :2thumbs:

to answer the original question I would go with edelbrocks over 440source especially out of the box .....  :2thumbs:

Have a nice day ...

"So if you need any more explainations to what i have just wrote down, please feel free to ask.   And an appology would be nice for getting in my face."

Not gonna happen...... you made rude comments.....
Quote from hemi ken "If i remember rightly, 73_ralley asked the question here, i replied with real world knowledge and not something someone else had writting.  So unless you know what you are talking about, put up or shut up.......... "

Hemikens Real world knowledge answer " i would go the 440source heads over the Edelbrocks anyday. "



Quote from hemiken" "i would go the 440source heads over the Edelbrocks anyday. "

Ok please explain ken ... I did  :2thumbs:
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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2008 - 08:56:33 AM »
ken I dont know what your problem is with me as you bash me in chat but thats okay...

to answer the original question I would go with edelbrocks over 440source especially out of the box .....  :2thumbs:

Have a nice day ...
If you refer to jumping on someone who is being rude in chat while a Lady is present, then i stand guilty as charged.

This is all you had to write in the first place. :thumbsup:

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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2008 - 09:00:57 AM »
If you refer to jumping on someone who is being rude in chat while a Lady is present, then i stand guilty as charged.

This is all you had to write in the first place. :thumbsup:

Thanks..............

nope... when im not around and pming other members.... yes I hear about it but I dont care dude... you asked for proof and i gave it to you... sorry your having a bad day  :walkaway:

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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2008 - 09:11:25 AM »
nope... when im not around and pming other members.... yes I hear about it but I dont care dude... you asked for proof and i gave it to you... sorry your having a bad day  :walkaway:
I did have a problem with your signature pictures of the 6 pack girls and sent PM's to people whom i thought you would listen to, perhaps i should have asked you straight out instead.    :dunno: :thumbsup:
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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2008 - 09:12:03 AM »
ALL comments I posted can be validated on moparts.com under the search function...

Jeff @ modern cylinder head does cnc machining on the stealth heads so its a business thing... take that into consideration...

Dwayne Porter a world class head porter himself posted all his finding and problems with steatlh heads for informal purposes and to let people know of the problems  :working:

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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2008 - 10:30:24 AM »
Well for starters, how about you retract this line that you posted in the quote box in your posting.


And going back to your quoting about what 73_rally wanted in the way of a head.  It would be cheaper for him to buy 440source heads than to rebuild iron heads and i garauntee the 440source head will outflow any Edelbrock performer head straight out of the box.  Remember he said 383 build, not big HP , so no spending money on CNC porting is what i would read into that.


I said to find a reworked set on ebay for a better deal.... re read man...

You told me to put up or shut up and I did.... re read your posts...

440source flow better out of the box...  :smilielol:

      Stealth/Eddys flow numbers box stock - want to know where these #'s came from...
100 --- 65/79 --- 57/70
200 --- 135/143 --- 108/126
300 --- 191/207 --- 140/160
400 --- 227/256 --- 159/188
500 --- 242/278 --- 173/206
600 --- 254/291 --- 183/217
700 --- 261/292 --- 191/223

twist it how you want..... your wrong in all your statements......

Chinese copy cat people and other countries stealing americas ideas and hustling them into the country to undercut america.... whatever... DONT make comments about the U.S. cause your not U.S.A. made ....

Hows this for copy cat system.....  :wavingflag:

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I still like you ken... dont know what your beef is with me anyway...... why dont we just make all opinions illegal  :2cents:
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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2008 - 02:36:40 PM »
thanks for the info, I still don't know which ones I'm going to go with, sounds like there a draw on what people recommend. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2008 - 02:46:29 PM »
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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2008 - 03:28:32 PM »
Some good info here:

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4617998&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1


I've heard practically EVERY aftermarket head is going to have issues.  E-brocks included.
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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2008 - 03:49:31 PM »
Actually ANY of them would be fine for the smaller 383, even ported  iron castings. Back when I ran one (pre-any aluminum aftermarket head) I documented 7 tenths in ET improvements with just port and manifold refinements and larger valves on some 906's. Not that any ported iron heads will work that well, but that kind of gain is definately possible. If I was building a 383 now I'd get some of those Source heads and a Vic intake. For the $$$ they seem unbeatable.  :dunno:
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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2008 - 05:05:26 PM »
I have been following posts on this issue for some time. I check out BigBlockDart for the engine stuff. they seem to build a lot of high horse engines there and seem to all get along. Tried moparts.com a few times but the bashing is too much. Won't even dare post a question on that site. Sorry but the dog fights on the Stealth heads is a perfect example. It went on for pages about the fire ring being exposed and what gaskets to use and so on. I did notice that Bulldog heads, no longer in business, did do some decent stuff. Didn't seem to have as much drama as the Edelbrocks and Stealths. The sad parts is to my knowlegde, which is collected from reading posts, not first hand experience, there really doesn't seem to be a home run in after market. B1's and Indy are bug dollar items. this doesn't help much either.

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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2008 - 05:16:46 PM »
This would have never happened if you had stayed out of my face with your reply post of "Yea Right....." i appreciate anyones opinion, this got personal when you say stuff like that, their is no need for the bickering and comments of that nature.  Keep it clean and i wont get mean. 
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Re: 440 source heads vs Edelbrook rpm heads
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2008 - 05:24:03 PM »
Ken I did not mean it that way dude..... like I said dont know what you have against me lately but I did not mean that towrds you.... this is why I dont like text messaging either... dont show emotions....

In all fairness please feel free to answer... my opinion is still edelbrocks as I posted why and is just my opinon... I still post 440source proven engine combos cause I know some guys are on a tight budget and the info is helpful to them  :2thumbs:


Quote frome Hemiken: i would go the 440source heads over the Edelbrocks anyday.  :2thumbs:

Please expalin why?   im curious as to your opinoin  :2thumbs:
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