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Offline Moparal

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Spark plug j10y champion
« on: December 22, 2008 - 03:21:37 PM »
I had fouled out a plug (sorta) When I flooded my engine. The choke had stuck and caused it to miss for a bit untill it was warmed up, then cleared up and seemed ok. 

The plugs were autolite 85's.  Like a j10y champion plug.   I run a mix of 93 octane and 110 octane race fuel.  It runs really good with this mix of close to 50/50. I don't know the final octane reading, but it doesnt pig that way.

I just put champion J10y plugs back in it.  I also have J11y plugs, but since the 85 autolites, same heat range as j10y, did well, I thought I might keep the same heat range.

I dont have a picture, but the plugs I just pulled out were solid tan all the way down the porcelin, and the electrodes were all lite tan.  Except for the one plug which was dark brown porcelin and electrode.

Sine I run race fuel in my car, it is hard to read plugs, but does this sound about right to you guys?   I'm dealing with a over stock size cam...xe275hl comp, and 3 carbs.  I think it is good, but could maybe step up 1 heat range to the j11y's .  I just went from points to electronic ignion about 500 miles ago. I was gapping at    .035  but now trying a   .038 gap.  I still have carbon based factory stock type, point ignition type wires on the car.  I am going to the speed shop maybe tomorrow to get some black 8 mm wires, spiral cores I think

By the way, I run the car up to 6k in 3 gears then slowed down in 4th and drove 2 miles at 25 mph and pulled the car in the garage. Left the car for 3 weeks and pulled the plugs out cold, so this is what they were looking like in normal use.

Everything was light brown, all the same color. Except for the one plug I fouled out when cold. It was dark brown but fireing, just looked week from being gas washed.




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Re: Spark plug j10y champion
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2008 - 03:46:29 PM »
Al,

Have you considered these wires? I hear a lot of good things about them.

http://www.firecore50.com/
Mike, Fremont, CA.


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Re: Spark plug j10y champion
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2008 - 04:13:20 PM »
My engine is similar to yours and my builder wants me to run NGK race plugs, I'd have to look at what number they are again, I think just a plain 6 or something like that. I can't tell you what the advantage is supposed to be but even when over fueled and burning lots of oil I haven't fouled one yet.

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Re: Spark plug j10y champion
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2008 - 04:20:01 PM »
I'm not really a fan of NGK plugs.  Plus I have all these plugs here at my shop :2thumbs:  thanks for the info tho

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Re: Spark plug j10y champion
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2008 - 04:39:53 PM »
TC, I see AZ nick sells them. I will pm him since he was on the link you sent me. But it didn't have any prices or say they sold make your own kits. I like to make my own.  Thanks for the link

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Re: Spark plug j10y champion
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2008 - 05:04:01 PM »
TC, I see AZ nick sells them. I will pm him since he was on the link you sent me. But it didn't have any prices or say they sold make your own kits. I like to make my own.  Thanks for the link

I priced out OEM design repro Hemi wires and they were $175.00 so I'm pretty sure the 440's will be reasonably priced also. 
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Re: Spark plug j10y champion
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2008 - 05:10:03 PM »
lol....mine was 25 bucks , I just want some 8 mm ones.   Do they sell the wire by the spool?

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Re: Spark plug j10y champion
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2008 - 05:34:55 PM »
Good question worth calling em on. (866) 973-WIRE
Mike, Fremont, CA.


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Re: Spark plug j10y champion
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2008 - 08:06:14 PM »
Interesting, around here NGK is all we run in snowmobiles because they're far the best. maybe it's a regional thing, guys  say the only plug worse than Champion is Autolite.  maybe I'll try the Champions when I get my engine back in, I need new plugs since mine are oil soaked.
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Re: Spark plug j10y champion
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2008 - 08:06:50 PM »
What does it mean when they are tan?
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Re: Spark plug j10y champion
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2008 - 08:17:13 PM »
My thought on this is that the Champions are recommended based on the metal fragmentation theory. Old schoolers will tell you that this is the most effective way for ignition to begin. Because that is what they were taught back then. Champions are known are a softer electrode metal. That is why they were/are recommended.

Then on the other hand, I hear that when you start going to a higher voltage coil output i.e. HEI, DIS you need to run platinums. Because the electrodes wear out too quickly with softer type of metal electrode instead of platinum.


How does an electric spark ignite fuel? Actually, nobody is quite sure. Three long-standing theories exist. The first, the thermal theory, has been around the longest but has recently lost ground to the other two, as new, more sophisticated tests are run. The thermal theory states that ignition is simply a factor of the heat of the spark, and that it occurs in much the same way as if the air/fuel mixture were lit with a burning match. This theory has been somewhat (although not entirely) discounted by recent data compiled on electronic ignitions, which have the ability to tailor a spark's duration (burn time), intensity (strength, measured in amps) and phase angle to dictate when during the spark duration the highest intensity will be delivered. The ability to control ignition through factors other than thermal energy has led to the metal fragmentation and ping pong theories.
The metal fragmentation theory states that highly ionized electrons rip metal fragments from the sparkplug's electrodes as they migrate across the plug gap, collide with the hydrocarbon molecule (gasoline), and act as a catalyst to the burning process. Supporters of this theory allude to tests that show how variations in the electrode's metal composition will enhance certain ignition properties. As a practical example, Champion sparkplug electrodes with a relatively soft metal composition allow for large amounts of metal fragmentation, which enhance the plug's ability to burn through large quantities of fouling contaminants. This formula is useful for engines that have a fouling problem, although the plug's soft electrodes tend to wear down relatively quickly. At the opposite end of the scale are Autolite plugs, which feature a hardened metal composition electrode with long-wear characteristics for engines that don't have a serious fouling problem.
The ping pong theory states that fuel ignition is accomplished when electrons from the spark collide with hydrocarbon molecules as they migrate across the electrode gap, splitting the positively charged protons from the molecule, which in turn collide with other molecules, triggering ignition. Although fuel ignition may well be a combination of all three theories, recent trends lean toward a combination of the ping pong and metal fragmentation concepts.
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Re: Spark plug j10y champion
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2008 - 08:34:29 PM »
Wow that's a lot of info. So tan metal means that the plugs have lost too much metal?
Kevin

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Re: Spark plug j10y champion
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2008 - 08:37:35 PM »
The color doesn't have to do with how it's creating ignition. The color means that you are having a complete (or almost) perfect burning condition.
Mike, Fremont, CA.


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Re: Spark plug j10y champion
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2008 - 08:40:27 PM »
Mike, Fremont, CA.


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Re: Spark plug j10y champion
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2008 - 09:04:59 PM »
Mine all looked like #14, or close to it. All but the one plug. It was still good, just week

I just like running the old plugs that came with the car as new, which was actually j11y. I run champions in my race engine, but they are 6 bucks a plug and all together different.

If I start milking my car for all it has, then it would not be as it came in 1970.  Like headers, sticky tires, non stock gears, msd or other ignitions, aluminum heads, 4 wheel disc brakes, bigger sway bars, better radio,....ect ect...

I just like the old type stuff and enjoy it. I have spent a few hundred grand on many cars in throughout my youth to be this way. I had and still have 4 comp roller cams I had made 1 a week just to try. I would buy every intake I could to see how it responded. Everything from 513 gears to 276. I like the original stuff now for 1 specific car.

It starts, it runs and I know i'm not going to run in first place, so I don't waste the money.   

Thanks for the links tc.   It helps