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Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« on: December 23, 2008 - 05:13:31 PM »
Cerberus would love to wash its hands of Chrysler, and never again have to think about why it decided to jump headlong into the morass known as the domestic auto industry at the peak of the private equity boom. The New York Times notes that unlike GM (GM), Chrysler has yet to give any indication for its plans to restructure itself -- it probably has no clue, though in the meantime the whole company is taking a month-long extra vacation to help burn through some inventory. One possibility: just hand over the keys to the union and other creditors:
After President Bush announced loans for both companies on Friday, Chrysler's parent, the private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management, said in a statement that it hoped to 'facilitate the restructuring and the recapitalization of Chrysler.'
But in the same statement, Cerberus raised questions about whether it would remain an investor if Chrysler survives.
'Cerberus has advised the Treasury that it would contribute its equity in Chrysler automotive to labor and creditors as currency to facilitate the accommodations necessary to effect the restructuring,' Cerberus said.
In other words, Cerberus appears willing to give up its 80.1 percent stake in Chrysler to the United Automobile Workers and anyone else the troubled automaker owes money to.
Given that Chrysler equity is worth exactly zero -- seriously, that's what Daimler values its 19.9% stake at -- Cerberus isn't being generous in its offer to contribute equity, nor is it clear what concessions the various stakeholders would want to make in exchange for that equity. The bottom line here is that despite the $4 billion its getting from the government, it still is headed straight towards bankruptcy. Unlike GM, which believes it can restructure and turn things around, Chrysler didn't even opt for typical corporate puffery.
That being said, handing Chrysler over to the UAW is an interesting idea. RIght now the carmakers have two major stakeholders -- the UAW and the bondholders -- and one teensy weensy stakeholder, the shareholders stuck in the middle. It seems pretty inefficient for the current crop of shareholders to be leading everything, when their stake is now so economically inconsequential. Better to just let the UAW negotiate whatever wages it wants with itself while negotiating directly with creditors. Perhaps the union will see how things look with the shoe on the other foot.
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Re: Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2008 - 05:46:31 PM »
I said when I was working in Detroit that the way to end all of the UAW's problems would be to sell them the plants. Once their profit/income depended on the amount and quality of work that was done, all of the druggies, drunks and ne'er-do-wells would be out on their butts.


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Re: Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2008 - 06:52:02 PM »
mjs73, thanks for posting that. I never really knew who the players were in this comic opera. Yeah, I think it's just a matter of time, and not much of it, before Chrysler fades into the economic sunset.

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Re: Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2008 - 06:56:56 PM »
UAW is a big part of the problem with the big 3 not being competitive with the imports. When you use intimidation to keep production low so the company will hire more workers so you can get more dues to use intimidation to keep quality low so the company will hire more workers so you get more dues to use intimidation to keep..............
There is no way in hell a person should be making 75 bucks an hour to install taillights. Kill the unions and pay the people a very good wage. If they dont make a hand, fire them. The days of the sweat shop factories in the U.S. have been long over. The car companies need to find a way to cut the unions loose, its just dead weight. I am not saying unions are bad but what is going on in Detroit is what happens when a union gets too much control, you have a tail that is wagging the dog which is never good.
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Re: Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2008 - 09:07:59 PM »
Obama should do to the UAW what Reagan did to the air traffic controllers. Thats the only way to make them competitive.

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Re: Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2008 - 10:42:55 PM »
I said when I was working in Detroit that the way to end all of the UAW's problems would be to sell them the plants. Once their profit/income depended on the amount and quality of work that was done, all of the druggies, drunks and ne'er-do-wells would be out on their butts.

I could not agree more with this that would put the shoe on another foot and things would be much different. 
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Re: Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2008 - 11:47:08 PM »
UAW is a big part of the problem with the big 3 not being competitive with the imports. When you use intimidation to keep production low so the company will hire more workers so you can get more dues to use intimidation to keep quality low so the company will hire more workers so you get more dues to use intimidation to keep..............
There is no way in hell a person should be making 75 bucks an hour to install taillights. Kill the unions and pay the people a very good wage. If they dont make a hand, fire them. The days of the sweat shop factories in the U.S. have been long over. The car companies need to find a way to cut the unions loose, its just dead weight. I am not saying unions are bad but what is going on in Detroit is what happens when a union gets too much control, you have a tail that is wagging the dog which is never good.

This is not completely true. The average worker makes about the same amount per hour as Honda and Toyota. The big cost is the legacy issues with retirement and pension funds. This is also understandable given the time the Big 3 have been producing in the US, almost 100 years. The other manufacturers have only been producing in the US for about 20 years or so. Do the math, there is a lot more retirees for the Big 3 than any other manufacturer.

Yes, the unions do have some responsibility, but not the whole problem. Yes, they have held the automakers hostage by striking and making things difficult for the manufacturer, but they are not to blame completely.

It would really be a sad day if Chrysler did not exist. I know most of you on this forum are die hard long time Mopar guys. Wouldn't that suck that you no longer have your manufacturer in business? When I read the recent restructuring plan from Chrysler that they presented to Congress, it seems they are working hard to do the right thing and "right" the ship. It will take time, I am not sure they have it, but honestly, the people in control of the company do not want to fail. I think they are doing the best they can but the whole credit crisis and complete drop off in car sales is hard for all manufacturers, including the non Big 3.

Time will tell, but I hope they can ride the storm out and be competitive again. They do have some good products, and I would not buy anything else unless I was forced to. Which may happen in the future, but you can bet your house that my Mega Cab and Durango will be close to extinction before I sign a check to any other car maker, especially one that is not part of the Big 3!
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Re: Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2008 - 01:07:45 AM »
Obama should do to the UAW what Reagan did to the air traffic controllers. Thats the only way to make them competitive.
jeryst your a jerk

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Re: Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2008 - 08:51:07 AM »
jeryst your a jerk


Wow, is that necessary?  Take if offline.   :2cents:

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Re: Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2008 - 09:14:07 AM »
jeryst your a jerk


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Re: Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2008 - 09:28:30 AM »

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Re: Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2008 - 09:40:21 AM »
jeryst you're a half bubble off



I dont think they actually make 75 bucks an hr to bring home.    And with so many members here, there will be different views of how and what would work and wouldn't work up for considerations.  Jeryst is OK in my book.  Don't judge people on one sentence

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Re: Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2008 - 10:00:39 AM »
Well, they said it was 75 bucks/hour with everything included.  Health care, retirement, PTO, etc.  As compared to non-union toyota workers, its almost double. 

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Re: Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2008 - 10:02:25 AM »
If the government (taxpayers) picked up the legacy costs for the Big 3 I somehow doubt anything would change.  I liked the congressman from Tennessee's ideas.  Give them some ultimatums for righting the ship and a deadline (my summary).  You don't need a watchdog as it's self regulating.  If they can't execute a plan then you've minimized dumping money into a pit and they can deal with the only other real consequence which is bankruptcy.
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Re: Could Cerberus Just Hand Chrysler's Keys To The UAW?
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2008 - 10:19:24 AM »
If the government (taxpayers) picked up the legacy costs for the Big 3 I somehow doubt anything would change.  I liked the congressman from Tennessee's ideas.  Give them some ultimatums for righting the ship and a deadline (my summary).  You don't need a watchdog as it's self regulating.  If they can't execute a plan then you've minimized dumping money into a pit and they can deal with the only other real consequence which is bankruptcy.

We get our electricity from the state of Tenn.   In exactly one year to the day my electricity has went from 185 bucks a month to 390 a month useing the same kilowat hrs.  Our co-op says the suppliers in Tenn have been raising the costs becuase of coal useage. They added a 60 buck sur charge for fuel costs to my bill last month. Stating coal fuel costs.  I work in coal mines. There is no shortage, and it sells for 60 bucks a rail road car to the big industries. 

If you make say 25 bucks an hr your company actually pays more than dbl. worker comp insurance and other items come in to play