New Hemi

Author Topic: New Hemi  (Read 4186 times)

Offline Steve

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 578
  • I Love Welding!
New Hemi
« on: May 16, 2004 - 09:09:29 AM »
Just curious...how many of you guys are looking to drop in the new 5.7L Hemi into your E-body?

If there's several of us, we ought to get together and help each other out with tech issues and such.




Offline Chryco Psycho

  • Administrator
  • C-C.com Guru
  • *****
  • Posts: 36620
  • 70 Challenger R/T SE 70 tube Chassis Cuda now sold
Re:New Hemi
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2004 - 12:07:42 PM »
I can get a complete Hemi & tranny with the computer etc if interested

Challenger - You`ll wish You Hadn`t

Offline 360 'CUDA

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 5784
Re:New Hemi
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2004 - 12:13:08 PM »
Just curious

What's the going rate for that new hemi stuff

Offline 4Cruizn

  • Administrator
  • C-C.com Expert
  • *****
  • Posts: 18521
  • HEMI FISH
Re:New Hemi
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2004 - 12:58:20 PM »
Yes please do share!!  ;)  

Offline MEK-Dangerfield

  • C-C.com Expert
  • ********
  • Posts: 20946
  • I don't get NO respect! Member since 1/25/2002
Re:New Hemi
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2004 - 02:39:25 PM »
Aaah, I'm guessing it's more than we want to know :P Anyway, what modifications(if any) would need to be made? I'm guessing this is considered a small block ???

  Mike

Mike

1970 Challenger - SOLD
2016 SXT+.  1 of 524 SXT+'s in Plumb-crazy for 2016.

Offline Ravage

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 552
  • 1974 318 'Cuda
Re:New Hemi
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2004 - 04:55:08 PM »
arent they flat top pistons anyway?and small?
"I flipped off a box of kittens once..." (Tycho on being evil)

lemonboy69

  • Guest
Re:New Hemi
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2004 - 07:31:38 PM »

If I've read correctly... the new Hemi is a 354 CID block... so still a small block persay... as far as modifications needing to be done... mostly the computer ($$) and all the sensors... CTS, MAP, MAF (unless you go with an air density MAP), IAT, TPS, Fuel Injectors, O2... that's just the sensors, getting them hooked up, wired, everything tuned... lots of time, money and effort...  ::)

LB

Offline oldvamoparfan

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 433
  • MOPAR; The only way to go!!!!!!!
Re:New Hemi
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2004 - 09:32:06 PM »
There would definitely be a lot of engineering required, as both the engine & the trans are computer controlled.  That means sensors, wiring harnesses, computers, etc would have to be provided for as LB says.  I dont know if this engine has been officially classified as a sb or bb, but it is pretty large externally, though maybe not quite as expansive as the old hemis.  It does not have flat top pistons.  I havent torn one down, but I have read tech articles on it, & while the pistons are not quite as high domed as the old hemis, they are still raised to fit the combustion chamber, otherwise compression would be very low.  There has been a car or 2 in the mags w/ the new eng, so it can be done.  The very early hemis were built as small as 241 ci, but it was still a very bb externally.  Ovmf
'72 Challenger 360,  '05 Dakota,   04 Town & Country,   '82 Yamaha 650 Maxim

Offline moparbowhunter

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1357
  • MOPARS RULE AND ALL OTHERS DROOOL!!!
Re:New Hemi
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2004 - 10:14:12 PM »
is the new hemi a tuned port injected or is it a throtle body injected motor? either way why would you have to put all of the sensors on if you were able to put on a old fashioned car intake on it?
please forgive me for my dumass question but i dont know sh!t about all of this new stuff. as a matter of fact i hate all of that stuff cuz i cant work on the new cars engines anymore. im on the KISS theory, Keep It Simple Stupid.  lol
70 Barracuda

Offline JS27N0B

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 4809
  • Member since Jan 28th 2003.
Re:New Hemi
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2004 - 11:10:30 PM »

If I've read correctly... the new Hemi is a 354 CID block... so still a small block persay... as far as modifications needing to be done... mostly the computer ($$) and all the sensors... CTS, MAP, MAF (unless you go with an air density MAP), IAT, TPS, Fuel Injectors, O2... that's just the sensors, getting them hooked up, wired, everything tuned... lots of time, money and effort...  ::)

LB


Actually I have read engineering reports that say it is really a 345 C.I. motor.

Any way, Chrysler does not have any domestic vehicles that use a mass air flow sensor, they all rely on MAP, and are a speed density system.

There are guys that make wiring harnesses for these, just read the article on the convertible Challenger.
I had a buddy who bought a rolled truck and was telling me they make 2 harnesses for guys doing swaps, one for auto, one for manual.

I thought about doing an EFI swap on my Swinger but I am too far along with the BB now.
1970 Challenger R/T Convertible 383/auto 1 of 516 *now sold after owning for 18yrs
2007 Chrysler Aspen Limited AWD
2013 Tige' RZR 343hp
2016 PCP Challenger SRT Hellcat


Offline Steve

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 578
  • I Love Welding!
Re:New Hemi
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2004 - 06:38:13 AM »
I've seen the motor, trans, and computer/harness at swap meets for about $6,500. Not bad. I was going to dump that into an EFI stroker motor. Street and performance offers a motor mount kit. I've seen pics of another guy who's putting one in a Challenger. He cut the transmission tunnel and raised it enough to clear the 5-spd auto.

Computer setup and wiring isn't a big deal so long as you have some documentation. If you buy a motor with all that stuff to begin with, all that stuff should be pretty straightfoward.

The fuel system has to be modified with a larger feed and return line. I plan to have a stock fuel tank modified to accomodate an in-tank pump.

This is definately not a drop-in project, but definately doable. Rumor is that a 6.3L (383) motor is on the way out.

We've got to keep up with the Camaro and Mustang guys who are dropping modern drivetrains into their cars!  :P

http://www.hotrodlane.cc/HEMI/57hemimeasurements.htm

[attachment deleted by admin]

lemonboy69

  • Guest
Re:New Hemi
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2004 - 09:27:43 AM »

JS... thanks for clearing me up!! ;) I'm still learning all about these computerized systems... so things are getting jumbled around...

I don't know if anybody has seen this one guys' site... he's got a '70 Challenger SE with a warmed over Fuel Injected 440 with a Procharger Supercharger... got to see the car in person yesterday and it's amazing all the work he's done... he's currently running a GM OBDII computer system, only because it's so easy and simple to deal with... ::) frankly, if I were going fuel injected.... I'd stick with an old Hemi block, and drop the fuel injection on it this way... ::) ::) None of this new, smaller hemi crap...

LB


[attachment deleted by admin]

Offline oldvamoparfan

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 433
  • MOPAR; The only way to go!!!!!!!
Re:New Hemi
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2004 - 07:53:21 PM »
According to Chrysler, the new hemi is 5654 cubic centimeters, rounded off that is a 5.7 liter eng.  CI is 354, the same size as a '56 Chrysler 300.  A liter is 61 ci.  Multiply 5.654 x 61 & I think you will get about 354CI.  The bore is about the same as a 318 (3.92 vs 3.91), & the stroke the same as a 360 (3.58). It is multi-point injection.  Some where out there is probably a carb & manifold for those who want it that way.  I have read several comparison tests that say in max throttle operation, FI has no advantage over carb.  The advantage is the fi unit is computer controlled & continuously adjusts timing & mixture to the current needs of the vehicle as it is being driven.  Carbs have to go w/ predetermined mixtures, & conventional timing is pretty elementary.  The new eng seems to be pretty good, but I dont know if it will ever equal the legends of the original.    Ovmf
'72 Challenger 360,  '05 Dakota,   04 Town & Country,   '82 Yamaha 650 Maxim

Offline peterro

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 713
  • 70 Challenger in progress...
    • The Pistonhead
Re:New Hemi
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2004 - 12:08:47 AM »
Well, I have to say that the new hemi is my current choice of engine.  Unless I hear something different here, I don't want the truck motor though.  I want the one from the 300 or the Magnum.  I want the 340hp with 25mpg.  

I really like the concept of the "reduced displacement".  Cutting out 4 cylinders while not needed is a cool idea.  With the price of gas getting so high, I want to offset that cost which is normally so much with these big motors and still have the fun (read power).

Offline 1973challenger360

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 2385
Re:New Hemi
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2004 - 07:31:35 PM »
 ;D

[attachment deleted by admin]
1965 barracuda. Was 273/2 904 car had 440 360 in plans
1996 Dodge 1500 ST 5.2 Np3500 4x2 club cab short bed

2008 Veracruz AWD Limited     I pay she drives