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Offline matt63

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Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« on: January 01, 2009 - 02:25:06 PM »
Maybe I'm just looking for problems here but there was a recent post about the use of 4 and 5 pin ECUs and 2 and 4 pin ballast resistors.  Currently I'm running a chrome box with a 4 pin harness and a 4 pin resistor.  Is this wrong?  According to the diagrams I've seen it is.  Would this hurt performance by reducing the coil voltage? Thanks.

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Re: Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2009 - 02:27:45 PM »
let me look. I have a chrome box in the garage.... been sitting around... you can have it...  :working:

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Re: Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2009 - 02:44:01 PM »
let me look. I have a chrome box in the garage.... been sitting around... you can have it...  :working:
Thanks but I have one - just unsure if I've got it hooked up properly.
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Re: Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2009 - 02:45:19 PM »
The 5th isn't needed. What you have will work

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Re: Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2009 - 08:35:33 PM »
 :iagree:
with a 4 pin ECU you are only using 1 side of the ballast , you can use a 2 pin if you want , but is makes no difference to the coil assuming you have the polarized connectors on the ballast

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Re: Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2009 - 08:44:11 PM »
Thanks.  There is wires going to both sides of the ballast.  I am concerned that I am knocking the voltage down too much.  I haven't got a pic yet but can get one tomorrow.
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Re: Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2009 - 09:49:32 PM »
on one end you will have the blue or blue yellow trace  12v feed , on the other you have two brown or 1 brown & blue to the coil & the green/red trace wire to the ECU the green/red wire is not used with the 4 pin ECU

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Re: Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2009 - 12:56:27 PM »
I had a quick look but didn't check voltage into the ballast resistor although I only have about 3.5 volts to the coil. The ECU plug is still the 5 pin unit and not 4.  On the 4 pin ballast I have 2 browns on one end and a blue on the other.  The blue jumpers across to the other side where there is another blue wire.  On the other end of that side is the green w/red.  I'm assuming that this side doesn't do anything with the chrome box having only 4 pins???  I'll go and check the voltage into the ballast now.  Thanks.  Hey, it's only -30C right now.  :eek7: I am sure enjoying my new garage CP! I am sure glad I'm off to Phoenix and Barrett Jackson next Saturday.  :)
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Re: Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2009 - 01:20:44 PM »
you should be 13v on the blue wire 8v or so on the brown & the green doesn`t matter
 - 27 here with the north wind pounding , I can`t understand why you appreciate the garage  :smilielol:

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Re: Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2009 - 01:53:43 PM »
you should be 13v on the blue wire 8v or so on the brown & the green doesn`t matter
 - 27 here with the north wind pounding , I can`t understand why you appreciate the garage  :smilielol:
Yeah It got to the point that the sight of my old tiny dim dank cold garage would cause me to return to the couch with my blanky :lol:

As far as the BR goes I've got 11 volts in and 4 volts out (run position / car not running / battery at 12.5 volts).  It sounds like the ballast resistor is knocking the voltage down too much perhaps.  I have another 2 pin resistor I can check out.  Perhaps I should just swap them out.  Do you think low coil voltage would hurt performance?
 
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Re: Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2009 - 02:43:19 PM »
absolutly , you need more voltage at the coil to create a strong spark , low voltage in = weak spark out
 swap in the 2 pin resistor or buy a newer low ohm performance resistor

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Re: Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2009 - 02:50:13 PM »
Maybe this will help. There's more info here>
http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/elec/3.html
 
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Re: Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2009 - 03:15:59 PM »
Chryco is correct. With the key in the "on" position, you should have around 8v on the "+" side of the coil.



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Re: Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2009 - 04:18:30 PM »
Now I'm wondering how much better it will run.  It's supposed to be above freezing on Monday so perhaps I can open the door and fire her up.  I never really had any issues with how the car runs although I probably have less than 500 miles on the car.  I have always thought that it didn't sound too crisp at idle though.  Perhaps this will help.  :bananasmi
I do have a selection of 2 pin resistors which includes a new one that is about 1.1 ohm cold.  It's a little odd as there is a metal bracket for securing it instead of just a hole through the body of it. Thanks again guys.
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Re: Chrome Box 4 pin ballast question
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2009 - 04:41:15 PM »
the metal tab is the original design , not sure anyone repros those

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