My first Cuda kill

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Offline cudaken

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My first Cuda kill
« on: November 30, 2001 - 09:21:58 AM »
Psycho here one you will like. You and know what happened to this poor guy  The 70 383 Cuda was just done and had 5,000 on the motor. A very  mild warmed over 383 with header's MSD-6Al and stock cam and piston's and AFB. I was coming off the interstate and looked in my rear view and much to my surippse saw another Cuda, what was the odds on that.Well we pulled up to a light tighter side by side. It was a 74 with 360-Cuda on the hood, well this should be pain less for him. Over quick and easy. He was hitting hard so I went for the hole shoot, better safe than sorry. I jump him by a 1/2 a car and pulled him to a full car then he held on. I could not pull him, son of a ***** I could not pull a 360, time for a tune up.  The road we where on was heading away from town so we did not shut down till we where well over 110 Mph. I had won but it was all because of the hole shot. We pulled over at a trailer court to compare note's and I was humble, did not wax a 360.  I popped my hood first, he looked and said It's Stock? I said yes except headers and Msd. He then popped his hood. He had a built 440 with nasty comp cam, 750 Holley, toker intake, 11 to 1 trw piston's, Holley red pump 3500 stall well theHe also had $7000 in receipts from Matt Johnson Speed Shop that built the turd engine and installed as well.Well Psycho you know what happened to the poor guy don't you.  Had his sh-t done my a Chevy shop. Mine was done my a Mopar shop. I felt bad for the poor guy, I only had $1500 in mine, we reused the stock piston’s was going to build a 440 next year but the block was decked.  


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Re:  My first Cuda kill
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2002 - 09:56:40 PM »
How is it that at Built 440 cant SPANK a stock 383???  What is it in the way they were bulit???  Can you explain???  

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Re:  My first Cuda kill
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2002 - 10:05:46 PM »
that 440 surely needs some rearend/traction work it sounds like. all the horses in the world dont mean diddly , if you cant plant them on the pavement.
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Re:  My first Cuda kill
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2002 - 10:48:28 PM »
Too cool Ken  :D I have done the same thing a # of times ,I tuned the daylights out of a stock 440 for a friend, worked mostly on suspension / traction & weight bias & Tuning, this was in a very pretty & stock looking Challenger R/T convert & we raced a guy with a Challenger R/T with a built 440 & the car was gutted to lighten the weight, we hole shot him & pulled 1/2 a car lenght on every shift ,All he saw was tailights !! Man was he Pissed he had $7000+ in his engine & cound not catch us !!! ;D He was a real sore loser to  :-/  
 I have mentioned this before & Wedgehead can back me up ... It is easy to spend a lot of $$$ & not improve performance mismatched parts that work at different rpms or just too big parts will slow you down also a lot of cam co.s grind lobes designed for Chev onto Mopar shafts, Mopars use a wider lifter which allows faster ramps on the cams & if you are not using a cam designed to take advantage of this you are throwing away a lot of power. So it is very possible to spend a lot of $$ & slow down if the builder doesn`t know what he is doing ;)      
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Re:  My first Cuda kill
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2002 - 08:05:17 PM »
Yes, we've seen too many guys spend mega bucks just to end up going slower!

Sad, but all too true.  ::)
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Re:  My first Cuda kill
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2002 - 04:28:28 PM »
I still dont see, I understand the traction issue, but I dont understand about the way the eng is built???  I know if your over cam the car and over doing it was this the case???

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Re:  My first Cuda kill
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2002 - 05:55:58 PM »
Over camming, mismatched parts that don`t work at the same rpm , Too much or too little gearing can alll slow a car down dramatically  ;)
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Re:  My first Cuda kill
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2002 - 09:02:46 PM »
Hey Cuda Guy,

One example was a guy I used to race. His Duster 440 was pretty much stock. He did have traction bars, a no-no on Mopars! Even Mopar Performance says not to use them. Anyway, he did have Nitrious Oxide NO2 and slicks.

He always ran hi 11's, low 12's depending on track and weather conditions. And as my car, this was at hi altitude!

And then there was me. A reasonably built 440, normal aspiration carb, ported 906 heads, subframe connectors, 3000 stall convertor, street tires running 12:60's down to 12:45 Et.

This friend, was told by Chryco numerous times, to at least port the heads. He always said no.  >:(

Well, a few yrs. later, he had his engine "professionaly" rebuilt, with who knows what! He bragged about how he had spent Mega $ on the engine.

So, the next season at the track...he actually ran slower than me!

No disrespect to him, just a very hard lesson. In fact I really like his car! A Panther pink 72 Duster 440.

I just wish he would have listened to logic. but what can you do? Now he had all this $ tied up in a slower car. I really feel for him, it could happen to anyone if not careful! Research and pre planning pave the road to results! Sometimes more impressive than expected as in my case, but still, you are on the right track Cuda! Keep researching and planning! You'll do it and do it right in the end!!!  ;D
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Re:  My first Cuda kill
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2002 - 09:53:33 PM »
Thanks Chryco and WedgeHead!!!  I guess it all comes down to "Been there and dont that!!!"

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Re:  My first Cuda kill
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2002 - 10:37:11 PM »
You could say that!

Oh yeah, you already did!!!  ;D

I guess, it comes down to the books I mentioned before.

They were actually like newsletters or bulletins written by now famous old time racers like Sox & Martin, Dick Landy...you name it. Then in the 1980's, Dodge decided to put all the info together into two books. The Direct Connection Engine and Chassis manuals. Or "Bible's" as I have heard them also called. Then later on they became thicker with new additions of info. and became Mopar Performance Engine and Chassis books. They are in fact updated regularly!

Some members may remember them before they were Direct Connection info/parts. I think it was called "Hustle Stuff". I have an old black and white ad showing that in a car mag of the time...somewhere!  ;)

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Re:  My first Cuda kill
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2002 - 10:43:08 PM »
Okay, something weird is going on for sure!

As a new member I spelled M I T S U B I S H I. Correctly, but it came posted as PREGNANT DOGI or something similar.

Now I spell D I C K  L A N D Y and it comes out as thingy

Landy!!!

What's going on?  ???
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Re:  My first Cuda kill
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2002 - 09:17:33 AM »
Its an auto correction I went to put  s h i t  h o t  and it came out as nuts hot???  LOL!!!  Its used to keep foul language off the Forum!!!

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Re:  My first Cuda kill
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2002 - 08:13:03 PM »
Hmmm. Strange why those words are considered "foul"?

Well, maybe M I T S U B I S H I for sure! Pregnant dogi!
LOL!  ;D
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Re:  My first Cuda kill
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2002 - 07:09:01 AM »
CUDA GUY, I think Psycho sumed it up pretty well as far as mismathched part's.

I hold shoot him because I had bottom end power where he had a big nasty cam. I stayed in the power band longer eith the 3.23 gear's I had, he also had 3.23 but his power was not till 4000 RPM's by wich time I was in the next gear and in the middle of the power band again. He could not stay in his with the gear's he had. On top end he would have taken me because I would have been out of the power band but 110 MPH was as fast as I was going to go on that road.

Now, the one thing Neil did not say anything about was deck height. Mother Mopar was real sloopy there, if the shop did not squer and deck the block is 11.0 may only be making 9.5 or so, with the cam he had (guessing 312 degrees or so) that bt it self would have killed all the go fast stuff he had. The other thing my engine was built real lose, remember stock piston's? This engine was done the cheap way, only need to last a year. Piston's clearanves was real lose so there was less drag but ring's where new so it sealed real well. Not something you would do if you want the engine to last 100,000 miles.

Also rememeder state of tune as well, part's alone do not make a car fast. Something like sighting in you weapon, if your not zerdo in you are not going to do anything but make noise.

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Re:  My first Cuda kill
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2002 - 12:51:07 AM »
I'm 23 now and got my 71 cuda 2 years ago. It was suppose to be a numbers matching 340. Anyway it ran kinda strong and my dad is a mopar/chevy lover. So i'm cruising around and this lod man in a new camaro ss gives me that look, i nod and from 35 to about 95 he pulled a fender on me and thats it, rite next to him, not bad for around a 30 year old car. So this ticking noise gets louder the more i drive, take it in and a wrist pin was broke off a long time ago, this engine had a poor man's rebuild job and a 6 cylinder yoke in the ass end. So i had  the engine bored.40 , the heads where already opened up, blue printed and balanced the engine, 3/4 race cam, intake, manual valve body, auburn pro posi , 4:30 gears, 650 race demon carb, hooker super-comps and other goodies. I wish I can find that guy now. I smoke new vets, my dad's impala with a 409/425 hp, stangs don't stand a chance. So far everywhere i go people don't believe all I got is a "little" 340. Man i love this car.
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