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Re: President thread???
« Reply #135 on: February 01, 2009 - 03:39:03 PM »
I think a pink `cuda with a smallblock needs to put a bigblock Challenger in it`s place by whooping it.I bet the `cuda wins by 3 car lengths!

I think you are right Torredcuda!  We will have to video tape it.




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Re: President thread???
« Reply #136 on: February 01, 2009 - 03:55:32 PM »
Write your Congressman NOW please! Tonight!

 http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html

Enough is enough!  It's time to put a STOP to these dangerous bailout schemes here and now!

     First, they told us that throwing $700 billion in hard-earned taxpayer money (a figure that roughly equals about $10,000 for the average family of four) at the problem was the solution to our economic woes.

     After spending the first $350 billion on giveaways to mega-corporations with few strings attached, little accountability and little transparency... the market continued to tank, families continued to lose their homes and hard-working Americans continued to lose their jobs.

     What went wrong?

     Our elected officials in Washington told you they had not thrown ENOUGH of YOUR money at the problem and they scrambled to release another $350 billion of YOUR hard-earned tax dollars.

     But it still wasn't enough! No amount of YOUR money is EVER enough!

     Now, Barack Hussein Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and their liberal minions in Congress are telling you that more of YOUR MONEY is desperately needed!

     They're telling you that IT CAN'T WAIT and they're trying desperately to RUSH another so-called 'economic stimulus package' through Congress... the latest figure is $825 billion  (a figure that roughly equals about $11,000 more for the average family of four). 

     They're hoping to have it signed into law before anyone becomes any the wiser!

     But this time around, instead of just handing out money to irresponsibly managed financial institutions and fat-cat mega-corporations - with few or no strings attached -  we're being told that income redistribution and pork-barrel spending is needed as well!

     Perhaps not in so many words, but to put it in the words of the folks at the Center for Individual Freedom:

"[W]e've already tried recklessly throwing taxpayer money at the problem. It hasn't worked. And, it is unlikely that spending money our nation doesn't have to build bridges, pave roads and repeat the recent failed experiment of handing out rebate checks will work either."

     Glenn Beck with FOX News said:

"So, the question is, when will America finally say, 'You know, I think I've learned my lesson. Enough is enough'?"

     To answer that question; the time to put a HALT to the OBAMA-PELOSI-REID THEFT ACT OF 2009 is NOW!

     Make no mistake, by the time you read this letter, the House will have already passed it's version of this dangerous legislation and the Senate may vote in a matter of days or hours!

     If we don't STOP them NOW, they'll keep coming back for more... and more... and more!

     No amount of YOUR money will be ENOUGH to satisfy Obama's voracious appetite!

The time is now to tell our elected officials to put a HALT to the Obama-Pelosi-Reid Theft Act of 2009! Tell them that an economic downturn IS NOT an excuse to play politics with our children's future and extend the financial misery that so many Americans are now experiencing.

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Re: President thread???
« Reply #137 on: February 01, 2009 - 07:27:37 PM »
So when Bush gave us all a stimulus check to help the economy it was OK?(and did nothing to help)
What do you guys think would be a better stimulus for the economy-create jobs that take people off unemployment and back to work or just give us a "tax break" like the Repubs want which will put maybe $20 a week in your paycheck and do absolutly nothing to stimulate anything?Any other ideas?
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Re: President thread???
« Reply #138 on: February 01, 2009 - 08:17:38 PM »
So when Bush gave us all a stimulus check to help the economy it was OK?(and did nothing to help)
What do you guys think would be a better stimulus for the economy-create jobs that take people off unemployment and back to work or just give us a "tax break" like the Repubs want which will put maybe $20 a week in your paycheck and do absolutly nothing to stimulate anything?Any other ideas?
    I dont have a problem with stimulating the economy, but at cost of 250k per job created and the average wage of these jobs will be 50k and less is where it doesnt make since to me. That is why some of Obamas economic advisers have started to back away from the measure. I dont know what they should do, but this plan is bad real bad and real expensive for the stimulus that it will create.

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Re: President thread???
« Reply #139 on: February 01, 2009 - 08:54:26 PM »
This bill is a SPENDING BILL! LOOK AT IT. IT HAS EVERYTHING THE DEMS HAVE BEEN DYING TO GET PASSED IN THERE.
Not that they are all entirely bad proposals, just don't cloque it as a STIMULUS Bill. IT"S BS!

If they want to spend $5 million on condoms for inner city health clinics they need to put it in a seperate bill.

We really need a stimulant right now but they just dumped all thier wishlists in here and threw it at the wall to see if it would stick. Crazy, non-stimulous things are in here and it is to a tune of a TRILLION dollars!

Torred, are you so gullible as to believe our government has YOUR best intrests in mind on EVERY measure tat comes up. They already screwed up the "Bailout" thing when Bush signed that Democratic designed bill. What makes you want to give them a TRILLION dollars after that one? I'm just curious.

It doen't matter who is in the majority or who is Prez. It is the taxpayers duty to keep an eye on thier elected officials because the second they get some breathing room they are going to spend yours, mine, our money on the dumbest crap.
This bill needs to be 100% stimulous, no Fish Barriers(whatever that is?) , no Honey Bee Insurance (whatever that is?),  NO B.S.!

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Re: President thread???
« Reply #140 on: February 01, 2009 - 08:58:12 PM »
I heard Jack Kinsella on Jan Markel's show earlier today and he was trying to explain just how much money the government is actually committing us to repaying.

So how much is a trillion in comparison to a million?
He used the quantitative measure example of time as in seconds on a clock.

60 sec x 60 min x 24 hrs gives you 86,400 seconds in a day.

And there are 365.25 days in a year... in one year there are 31,557,600 seconds


1,000 seconds = 16.7 minutes - no big deal, right?


1 Million seconds = 11.57 days - a little longer on the human timescale


1 Billion seconds = 31.68 years - pretty big jump

How Big is a Trillion?


In the U.S., one trillion is written as the number "1" followed by 12 zeros (1,000,000,000,000).



One year of clock time =
(60sec/min) x (60 min/hr) x (24 hr/da) x (365.25 da) = 3.16 x 107 sec


One trillion seconds= 31,546 years!
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Re: President thread???
« Reply #141 on: February 01, 2009 - 09:06:37 PM »
 http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html


Please all you sane people.... drop your Congressman a note.

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« Reply #142 on: February 01, 2009 - 11:30:19 PM »
Yep, a billion is a thousand millions, a trillion is a thousand billions. A THOUSAND BILLIONS!!! That's alot of freaking money. No end in sight to the shameless spending spree. The first bailout was given to companies that should have been allowed to fail, we would be better off without them. So now we are looking at trillions of dollars that the American Taxpayer will be on the hook for. The real stimulus would be to give the taxpayers back this money so that they can spend it on whatever they want, and then we would see a turn around from the situation that was caused by an extremely overinflated real estate market and bad loan making. But instead the liberals in charge have decided that they know better how to spend our money than we do. Remember that the government can not create jobs and does nothing to  make money. All of the money that they are spending is from taxpayers and in this case, future taxpayers. The new jobs that will be "created" will be paid with taxpayer money, so there will actually be a negative effect on the job market. Shame on all of our elected officials, both republican and democrat, as they are all guilty of stuffing these bills with special interest pork that hardworking Americans did not approve of, but will be stuck holding the bill. I can see a day in the near future when we will become a socialist country where all of decisions are made for us by people that do not have our best interests in mind. That will be a sad day in American History.

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Re: President thread???
« Reply #143 on: February 02, 2009 - 01:04:27 AM »
To All My Valued Employees

There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job.What does threaten your job however,is the changing political landscape in this country.

 

However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you decide what is in your best interests.

First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a back story. This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You've seen my big home at last years Christmas party. I'm sure; all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life.

However, what you don't see is the back story.

I started this company 28 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300 square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living apartment was converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.

My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I spent went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Co rolla with a defective transmission. I didn't have time to date. Often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying.. In fact, I was married to my business -- hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a modest $50K a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of hitting the Nordstrom's for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling through the Goodwill store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it was birthed in the 70's. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9am, mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5pm, I don't. There is no "off" button for me.. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, and breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to my hip like a 1 year old special-needs child. You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden -- the nice house, the Mercedes, the vacations... You never realize the back story and the sacrifices I've made.

Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bail-out all the peo ple who didn't. The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for.

Yes, business ownership ha s is benefits but the price I've paid is steep and not without wounds.

Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you why:
I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough. I have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes. Payroll taxes. Workers compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check was? Zero. Nada. Zilch.
The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare check? Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country.


The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy.

Here is what many of you don't understand ... to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.

When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it. Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the poor of America are the essential drivers of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep.

So where am I going with all this?

It's quite simple.

If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I fire you. I fire your co-workers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future. Frankly, it isn't my problem any more.

Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire. You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steam rolled the constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about....

Signed,
Your boss


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Re: President thread???
« Reply #144 on: February 02, 2009 - 07:52:02 AM »
Chryco Psycho, Chryco Psycho ,Chryco Psycho how dare you come on here and make sense!
     
         This isnt about tax breaks for the "RICH" business owner, how dare you think business owner's cant shell out more money to support this plan. They should sell their house, their car's, their shares of stock and give it all back to this country, then go to the end of the handout line and wait patiently for their turn at the trough. How selfish can you be thinking they should get ahead of the people that made this country great by spending more than they make sheesh. Talk about a dream buster!!!!
   Oh and maybe the Government will allocate some money to help build a skateboard park in my neighborhood, it's a shame that these kids have to skate on flat ground all the time, I mean then the skateboard makers will sell more boards and drive this downturn out of trouble.

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Re: President thread???
« Reply #145 on: February 02, 2009 - 08:45:56 AM »
cp youve barely scratched the surface, try owning a small trucking company, then you can add 10 more taxes to that,we pay tax on fuel,every mile in each state,irs heavy use tax,ifta,suta,futa,tax on how many trucks and trailers i own, 1700 for the liscence plate,7000 per truck for insurance,tolls,etc,etc,etc.. and now they (california green weanies) want to tax my exhaust per ton of emissions,mich wants to add more tax to  gas and diesel,not going to buy another truck this year or hire anyone.
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Re: President thread???
« Reply #146 on: February 02, 2009 - 09:12:57 AM »


Torred, are you so gullible as to believe our government has YOUR best intrests in mind on EVERY measure tat comes up. They already screwed up the "Bailout" thing when Bush signed that Democratic designed bill. What makes you want to give them a TRILLION dollars after that one? I'm just curious.


Not at all gullible,I know I`ve been getting screwed for a long time.I don`t agree with the "stimulus" bill either just pointing out the Repubs don`t have anything better.It` s either give to the poor (Dems) or give to the rich (Rep) and the middel class gets to pay for it all.
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« Reply #147 on: February 02, 2009 - 09:42:25 AM »
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Not at all gullible,I know I`ve been getting screwed for a long time.I don`t agree with the "stimulus" bill either just pointing out the Repubs don`t have anything better.It` s either give to the poor (Dems) or give to the rich (Rep) and the middel class gets to pay for it all.
    I know what you mean, but I dont want to kill the small business owner by taxing him out of business. That does not stimulate anything but the unemployment line. Give tax breaks to any company that hire's somebody, or something like that maybe, I dont know what to do but throwing money at a problem doesnt eliminate the problem just makes it a more expensive problem.

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Re: President thread???
« Reply #148 on: February 02, 2009 - 10:01:05 AM »
try owning a small trucking company, then you can add 10 more taxes to that,we pay tax on fuel,every mile in each state,irs heavy use tax,ifta,suta,futa,tax on how many trucks and trailers i own, 1700 for the liscence plate,7000 per truck for insurance,tolls,etc,etc,etc.. and now they (california green weanies) want to tax my exhaust per ton of emissions,mich wants to add more tax to  gas and diesel,not going to buy another truck this year or hire anyone.
Exactly! The small business owner cannot hardly stay in business because of all the taxes. You have to make so much to cover the taxes,THEN you start to make money to cover your expenses,THEN you try to start making a profit. :banghead: Then every employee that you hire multiplies the taxes you have to pay,so why hire more? :screwy:

    I know what you mean, but I dont want to kill the small business owner by taxing him out of business. That does not stimulate anything but the unemployment line. Give tax breaks to any company that hire's somebody, or something like that maybe, I dont know what to do but throwing money at a problem doesnt eliminate the problem just makes it a more expensive problem.
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Re: President thread???
« Reply #149 on: February 02, 2009 - 10:05:37 AM »
Somebody somewhere is going to have to pay all of these billions back. And we all know it will be US.

Either that or the dollar will be worthless and it will take $1000 to buy a loaf of bread.
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