XV level one suspension

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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2009 - 10:54:01 PM »
Does anyone have the gas pressure specs for the XV shocks?
The previous owner thought the car rode to hard so he let the gas out.
Can you play with the pressure for different types of drivingThanks.
Can't you send them back to Afco? Wonder if they would tell you the specs? Or "recommend" a pressure?
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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2009 - 11:45:24 PM »
From my understandings of shocks this information would not be a secret and should not be played with to "adjust" the shocks performance.  I would guess somewhere between 150-200psi, but you should call XV to make sure.  Let us know what you find out!

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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2009 - 12:01:54 AM »
Does anyone have the gas pressure specs for the XV shocks?
The previous owner thought the car rode to hard so he let the gas out.
Can you play with the pressure for different types of drivingThanks.


Just call XV and tell them what happened.

I thought you might need a special gauge to read those. Mainly because it's more pressure than a tire gauge will go. IIRC, something around or over 100 psi in the Bilstien gas shocks I bought. But can't remember the numbers. I've never ran them and need to convert them over to bayonet end. But I did run them on the shock dyno.

You can change the PSI. I forgot what that does to the performance and shock curve. But it can't be changed to drastically. I think bleeding all the air out of them and running them will aerate the heck out of the shock oil.  :nono:

Read this I found in a quick google of: changing shock psi damping curve  ....
http://www.penskeshocks.com/files/TSPressureBalancing2-04.pdf

Here's the gauge setup to check the shock psi and attach to the scharder valve.

http://www.afabcorp.com/AFCO_Dynatech_USbrake/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=A&Product_Code=20109&Category_Code=ct_shock-hdw
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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2009 - 05:34:35 PM »
Thanks AutoX, I'll give XV a call or email and see what they say.
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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2009 - 09:37:34 PM »
So I wrote to XV via there web site and as of today I have not received a call or reply.
Jackson from Toronto.

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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2009 - 04:21:38 PM »
I just called XV and they said 160 psi for the shocks.  I didn't ask them specifically about your situation but I'm guessing you can take it to anyone with a high pressure nitrogen system to get your shocks pressurized.

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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #51 on: October 15, 2009 - 10:27:53 PM »
Thanks for that.
Did you say what car and engine combo?
 
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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2009 - 02:30:29 PM »
I don't think the car/engine combo matters since these aren't air shocks.  Also, he probably would have asked if it did.  I recommend calling them if you have any questions, they seem to be better at answering phones than emails.

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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #53 on: November 13, 2009 - 01:40:24 PM »
Just to update, I am almost finished rebuilding the front of my car with the Level 1 kit.  I'm dealing with a caliper bleeder screw that has been sheared off right below the hex (from a previous owner, I swear) and I have not installed the sway bar.  The quality of the XV parts is overall pretty good.  The shocks are awesome, the coating on the torsion bars and sway bars seems good, hardware looks good and all the bushings and parts went together with only very minor fitment issues. 

Despite being wrapped with bubble wrap and coming in cardboard boxes my shocks had some scratches on the shock body when they arrived.  Not a huge deal since mine isn't a show car and the scratches will not affect performance, but I wish they would have taken better care of the parts before they shipped them out.  The strut rods are the only parts in the kit that weren't coated or plated which seems odd to me.  Perhaps this is so people restoring their cars can match the color of their cars, but would anyone buy this kit who is restoring a car?  I wouldn't think so.  Also the quality of some smaller parts, particularly the sway bar mounts is disappointing.  The LCA front sway bar mount bolts on and is an angled bracket with two holes in it, a pretty simple part.  The sides of mine are not even close to being straight and just look cheesy in my opinion.  I'm sure they would work fine, but I think they look really cheap.  I didn't realize the kit came with mounts since I didn't see it mentioned or pictured anywhere so I purchased some weld in type mounts that are much better quality imo.

The other items I have bought to rebuild the front end have mostly been good.  The lower ball joints, dust boots, steering links all seem great however the bump stops were a headache.  Perhaps they are generic bumps stops designed to work on many different cars, and yes, I bought the cheapest ones (how can you make a bump stop wrong?).  The threaded portion on both upper and lowers was way too long (I shouldn't need to use an extra deep socket) and neither had any way of capturing the bump stop while the nut was tightened, so you had to hold the rubber bump stop with your hand as you tighten the nut... a stover nut.  Also there was rubber covering the lower half inch of threads which had to be cleaned off or it would have been even more difficult to install.  I realize this is a dumb thing to complain about and it wasn't hard to get them to work but it maybe took me an extra 30 min.

Sorry to whine, I'll try to post pictures soon.

-Dave

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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2010 - 09:09:43 PM »
I'm half way done with the rear suspension now.  I went with Mancini racing leaf spring hangers, lower shock mount plates and new u-bolts.  All the threads on my stock parts were junk and rebuilding them didn't seem cost effective for the time it would take.  Hopefully I'll have it driving by next weekend.  I haven't put on the front or rear sway bars yet and am going to wait a little while before I dive into that.  Looks like I might need to run new brake lines in the back when I put the sway bar on since the it attaches to the axle via u-bolts, and I still need to weld brackets onto the front LCA's for the sway bar.  That should make a nice weekend project....which will probably turn into a month the way I work.

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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2010 - 03:42:34 AM »
I'm half way done with the rear suspension now.  I went with Mancini racing leaf spring hangers, lower shock mount plates and new u-bolts.  All the threads on my stock parts were junk and rebuilding them didn't seem cost effective for the time it would take.  Hopefully I'll have it driving by next weekend.  I haven't put on the front or rear sway bars yet and am going to wait a little while before I dive into that.  Looks like I might need to run new brake lines in the back when I put the sway bar on since the it attaches to the axle via u-bolts, and I still need to weld brackets onto the front LCA's for the sway bar.  That should make a nice weekend project....which will probably turn into a month the way I work.

-Dave

Hotchkis sells nice front sway bar tabs for $29.95 a pair.

On the rear brake lines I just pulled up the axle tabs and ran the U-bolt under the existing brake line. Been that way for 10 years and a good 30K miles.
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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2010 - 01:54:43 PM »
What about hotchkis suspension? They just introduced a set up for the challenger n cuda... Any feedback on these ?

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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2010 - 10:26:40 PM »
What about hotchkis suspension? They just introduced a set up for the challenger n cuda... Any feedback on these ?


I was just out at the track during a Hotchkis test and tune two weeks ago. They did a full on and fully data recorded before and after test on a 440 Challenger. They took videos before and after to show the difference. One camera mounted on a chase Z06 Corvette with added supercharger, another camera on the Challenger itself and another shot from a person on the ground.

They had some real nice telemetry equipment on their test cars. It was held in by a neat booster seat looking deal that could be buckled into each car they go measurements from. It was a G2X pro that you can see at the very bottom of the last picture I posted below in this reply ( http://www.racepak.com/ )

Those G2X units record a lot of great info beyond even laps times. Skid pad G-force, skid pad times, recorded instantaneous all direction G-forces speeds throughout the course, with GPS location plotted on the given track.... And that's not even half of its real capability.

The "before" was a 440 Challenger with 225/60/15 tires and 15x7 steel rims, 1" torsion bars, Hotchkis subframe connectors, stock upgraded 11.75 front rotor, stock 10" rear drums. Those parameters were the same before and after.  The rims/tires were changed from Magnum 500/Dunlops to BFG/Rallyes same size tire and rims. So when you see pictures of the Rallyes, those are the “after” pictures

For the "after", they added/changed to these Hotchkis parts: front sway bar, added rear sway bar, rear leaf springs, geometry correct front leaf spring hanger, geometry corrected tubular upper control arms, spherical end linked strut rods, and Hotchkis valved shocks.

The difference was very big. In the “before” sessions, the chase Z06 Vette looked like he was going to run over the Challenger at times.  In the “after” sessions the Z06 had to put down his cup and coffee. He had to work it to keep in camera distance. But let’s not kid ourselves, the Z06 was still faster.

The real interesting thing I learned from the 440 Challenger before and after test was about the brakes...
Of course the Challenger had much faster lap times "after" the improvements. One thing that was not changed were 11.75" factory type disk with rear 10" drums. On the "after" tests, the Z06 w/added supercharger camera car obviously had to get up on the wheel to keep up.

I asked the pro driver of the Challenger how the brakes held up. Well he said, "They were fine." I would have thought he would have cooked the brakes on that 440 Challenger with the increase of speed entering the corners. But he explained that when the suspension is set right you are not overloading just one or two of the brakes. He said he could use much more brake now that more tires were gripping.
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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2010 - 10:41:11 PM »
Here are pics I took of the stuff they installed/changed

Notice they end of the front sway bar is rounded off.  :2thumbs:

 I know first hand the other brands are squared off and can hit/rub the LCA flange. You have to grind/cut or try to slide the sway bar forward to keep them from hitting/rubbing the LCA

The front sway bar to frame setup is really stout. But I wish they wouldn't put the zerk fitting right on the bottom where it will get broken off.  :nono:

Some people say the rear sway bars that mount to the rear axle add unsprung weight. Sure they do, but the Hotchkis rear bars is hollow and I was able to pick it up with my pinky finger. It might weigh 5 lbs. Not the end of the world like some people make it to be.

Hotchkis has picture of the Challenger before and after here. Remember Magnum 500 rims are the "before" and the Rallyes are the "after": http://www.hotchkis.net/press_release.html?ID=33
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Re: XV level one suspension
« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2010 - 02:57:45 PM »
I already bought the Hotchkis front sway bar mounts for the LCA (I didn't know the kit came with one).  They are very well made, might be a little overkill but I love them.  Thanks for the info about pulling up the tabs on the axle and the front sway bar clearance issue.  I'll be heading out to Willow Springs soon for a track day.  Can't wait!

-Dave