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Re: CC.Com President Approval Rating
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2009 - 10:10:12 PM »
Only thing I can say about the pres is he tells us what we want to hear, which usually isn't the truth...I don't trust presidents who can barely speak without teleprompters.
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Re: CC.Com President Approval Rating
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2009 - 01:19:02 PM »
Here is some interesting discussion on our President. Click below.
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« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2009 - 11:51:43 AM »
He hasn't shown me one positive thing yet! His budget more than doubles the national debt and spends more than all the presidents before him combined spent!

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« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2009 - 02:26:34 PM »
Gotta love all the phoney "Outrage" about AIG when Obama and Frank and Dodd were at the top of their list for political contributions.

Just consider what the press in America would have done to GWB if Exxon was as badly mismanaged and lost 61 billion the last quarter and got all that bailout money and he was at the top of their list.   :villagers:
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« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2009 - 02:59:27 PM »
Gotta love all the phoney "Outrage" about AIG when Obama and Frank and Dodd were at the top of their list for political contributions.

Just consider what the press in America would have done to GWB if Exxon was as badly mismanaged and lost 61 billion the last quarter and got all that bailout money and he was at the top of their list.   :villagers:

http://www.examiner.com/x-268-Right-Side-Politics-Examiner~y2009m3d17-Obama-Received-a-101332-Bonus-from-AIG
I doubt any AIG executive is a bigger hippocrate than our nations politicians!

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Re: CC.Com President Approval Rating
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2009 - 08:13:08 PM »
<---Loves watching on the sidelines in Europe. :biggrin:  It's something how so many people here idolize the guy, yet never knew about all the small things I've brought to their attention...Hopefully good things can happen for the nation, but it isn't looking too well so far. :2cents:
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Re: CC.Com President Approval Rating
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2009 - 09:40:13 PM »
Our country is a mess, and I hate to see it so.

Obama is a joke, I new he was in the beginning. But he saw an advantageous situation (the falling economy) and took advantage and got elected. Now that he is faced with the real problem all he can do is place blame.

There are too many Democrats in Washington that have a sole agenda of out-doing the Republicans and trying to destroy Bush's image farther than it already is.

And 9000 earmarks? WTF? Have you read some of the places our money has went?

150,000 for Bee insurance
3,000,000 for the Polynesian Travel Fund
and so on.

You can't watch an Obama speech without hearing "...and the past administration's failed policies..." or something along those lines.

And don't even get me started on abortion...

The LORD said "I knew you when you were in the womb"

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« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2009 - 09:55:14 PM »
The other two are far more scary to me, Reid and Pelosi. Seeing Pelosi rave on about how the INS should stop with thier raids and "breaking up familys" of illegal aliens. She is the absolute WORST speaker of the house EVER, but don't expect the press to say it. They will sugar coat the Turd. I keep praying a house falls on her soon....  :bricks1: 
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« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2009 - 07:55:24 PM »
Every day and in every way they screw it up more and more and than blame evryone but the people who cause the problems which is usally the Goverment.

I think my head is going to explode!!!!!
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« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2009 - 08:02:23 PM »
Mccain and other Repubs voted for the earmarks also-
"The bill was approved easily, 74-25, winning support even from lawmakers who have crusaded against earmarks - including Arizona Sen. John McCain, the Republican Party's presidential nominee, who warned last week that he might oppose a bailout bill if it included more pork-barrel spending.

"It is completely unacceptable for any kind of earmarks to be included in this bill," he said in a speech in Freeland, Mich. "It would be outrageous for legislators and lobbyists to pack this rescue plan with taxpayer money for favored companies. This simply cannot happen."

On MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program Thursday, McCain was pressed on why he voted for a plan that included earmarks that he strongly opposed. He said he had to support the bill because the country is "on the brink of economic disaster."

"There were plenty of other bills that I fought against, voted against" because of pork, McCain said.

The tax earmarks were championed by both sides of the aisle. Western lawmakers, especially Sens. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., and Larry Craig, R-Idaho, backed an expansion of a program that helps pay for rural schools. Lawmakers from states with no income tax backed an extension of a program that allows residents in states including Texas, Nevada, Florida, Washington and Wyoming to deduct the sales tax they pay over a year from their federal taxes, a provision that costs the Treasury $3.3 billion over two years."
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« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2009 - 09:23:48 PM »
I don't know if the AIG exec's deserved the bonus payouts or not. I do know AIG was strong armed to award mortgage notes to folks that were far too risky and should have never been given a mortgage. To whom do we place the blame for that?? Where is the outrage for that?? The bonus payouts were part of a contractual agreement that had nothing to do with the government bailout payments. If taken away they will most likely sue. The state of Conn. is where AIG's financial headquarters are located. The state of Connecticut has a "double payout" clause where if one sues and wins, they win DOUBLE. Maybe they shouldn't have taken the bonus, but what kind of precedence will it set if the Government is allowed to just "Take" something that was awarded via a binding legal contract. Where will it go from there?? :clueless: I hope the executives win double if they sue. Not because they deserve it, but because the government has overstepped their bounds and put themselves "above the law" by taking what was given by a binding legal contract!! :swear:


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Re: CC.Com President Approval Rating
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2009 - 09:31:59 PM »
I don't know if the AIG exec's deserved the bonus payouts or not. I do know AIG was strong armed to award mortgage notes to folks that were far too risky and should have never been given a mortgage. To whom do we place the blame for that?? Where is the outrage for that?? The bonus payouts were part of a contractual agreement that had nothing to do with the government bailout payments. If taken away they will most likely sue. The state of Conn. is where AIG's financial headquarters are located. The state of Connecticut has a "double payout" clause where if one sues and wins, they win DOUBLE. Maybe they shouldn't have taken the bonus, but what kind of precedence will it set if the Government is allowed to just "Take" something that was awarded via a binding legal contract. Where will it go from there?? :clueless: I hope the executives win double if they sue. Not because they deserve it, but because the government has overstepped their bounds and put themselves "above the law" by taking what was given by a binding legal contract!! :swear:


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I agree with this post. I pretty much mirror this same thinking in the gun control thread. The government is starting to really overstep their rights and need to be checked back into their proper place. The fact that they are starting to constrict us with gun control shows that they realize the danger they are putting themselves and this country in. Mob Rule comes right before anarchy.
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Re: CC.Com President Approval Rating
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2009 - 11:41:57 PM »
I don't know if the AIG exec's deserved the bonus payouts or not. I do know AIG was strong armed to award mortgage notes to folks that were far too risky and should have never been given a mortgage. To whom do we place the blame for that?? Where is the outrage for that?? The bonus payouts were part of a contractual agreement that had nothing to do with the government bailout payments. If taken away they will most likely sue. The state of Conn. is where AIG's financial headquarters are located. The state of Connecticut has a "double payout" clause where if one sues and wins, they win DOUBLE. Maybe they shouldn't have taken the bonus, but what kind of precedence will it set if the Government is allowed to just "Take" something that was awarded via a binding legal contract. Where will it go from there?? :clueless: I hope the executives win double if they sue. Not because they deserve it, but because the government has overstepped their bounds and put themselves "above the law" by taking what was given by a binding legal contract!! :swear:


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Ummm...not to defend AIG or the mortgage industry or the financial sector - there's plenty of blame to go around, including members of both parties - but AIG isn't in the mortgage business.  They don't make loans.  AIG's mistake was insuring huge packages of mortgages that had been "securitized."  That is, a large number of mortgages were packaged together and that was traded as one would trade stock in a corporation.  Can you imagine buying stock in Bank of America and having State Farm sell you a policy that said that they'd guarantee that stock to stay at a certain price and if it fell below, State Farm would pay the difference?  Where do I sign?   :dupe:

The roots of the crisis are essentially these:
    Lots of easy money available at low interest - mostly from overseas (China) and used to finance their own export-driven economic expansion;
    Home buyers taking advantage of the easy money to buy homes they couldn't afford in the belief that real estate wouldn't lose value and unaware or uncaring of the risks they were taking in adjustable-rate loans;
   Financial "wizards" were being rewarded for writing mortgages they shouldn't have that were then packaged and securitized to supposedly spread the risk;
   Other financial "wizards" too smart for their own good who were unable, unwilling or flat didn't care to understand the value and potential risks in the securitized mortgages they were trading (See Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, et al);
   Still more financial "wizards" at a small division of AIG that insured these packages of mortgages - the infamous credit default swaps - which was fine, so long as credit was easy and homes held their value, but rapidly became worthless when the easy money dried up.
   Last, government officials and regulators of both parties who either pushed the easy money and bad loans or failed to do their jobs at overseeing the financial industry.

So, when the easy money started to dry up and housing prices started to fall, the loans started to default and the now panicked holders of those worthless mortgages are now going to AIG saying "Pay up."  Only AIG doesn't hold near enough cash in reserve to cover it's bets.  The risk in not bailing AIG out is that if AIG folds, many more of these loans then become worthless because there's nothing backing them and that has the potential to take down the banking system of the United States.  And because the US is by far the largest economy in the world, the failure of our financial system brings down the rest of the world economy.  All because some bright-eyed knucklehead math whizzes got the bright idea to insure things that should have never been insured.   :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

As to the bonuses, I'd like to know about the terms of the contracts.  I heard on the news yesterday that the bonus payouts ranged from $1000 to $6.5 million.  Somehow, unless they're handing out $1000 bonuses to the part-time janitors, I don't have a problem with the idea of some people getting bonuses.  But I can't imagine anyone deserving of a $6.5 million bonus in this economy, unless it's for a career's worth of service.  In the end, when we're talking about the amount of money that's being thrown around, the total size of these bonuses is a rounding error.  It's really more about the symbolism of the thing.



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« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2009 - 07:47:09 AM »
Well......... Crongress decided that it would be a good thing to tax the bonuses ( retroactivly ) at 90%.  The bonuses they knew about before they passed the Porkulus bill, the one with the Dodd amendment ( you know the guy, he's the one who said he didn't know about the bonuses, the one AIG gave more than a hundred thousand dollars to his campaign ) allowing the bonuses to go through.  Last time I checked, the U.S. Constitution has "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed." written in it.  I'm no expert, but I bet that covers congress stealing money from individuals who were paid the money legally.  At this point, no contract in the United States is binding if the congress can after the fact steal the money for themselves.

And, no I don't think the execs at AIG deserve the money, but when a contract is no longer legally binding, we're in big trouble.

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« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2009 - 09:39:21 AM »
Maybe I drank too much beer last night but I could have swore our President said both "Special olympics" and "Waterhead" last night on the Leno show in a demeaning way. :eek7:
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