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Offline cudaneil

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bogging motor !
« on: March 28, 2009 - 05:11:55 PM »

    Hi,   Whats more embarrassing than having a ricer next to you at the lights, flooring it, and the motor bogs then picks up

            and goes like hell.  The damage is done though cos the ricer has gone !

         So what usually causes bogging Guys ?         :cooldancing: 
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Re: bogging motor !
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2009 - 05:29:40 PM »
Good question.  I would like to know what others think about this.

If all else is ok, my first gues is carb, either accelerator pump need to be adjust or may be bad.  :2cents:
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Re: bogging motor !
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2009 - 06:12:16 PM »
You need to consider is the motor trany setup correct. If the cam specs and the converter match up then consider it a tuning issue. If you have a hot cam and a factory stall, then it will never work. Unsprung weight is unsprung weight and no matter what gears you put in it, it will bog the second the motor hits the load. Kind of like letting the clutch out too early in a stick car and blaming it on the tuning.
If its a tuning issue then I have usually found the pump shot to be too aggressive. Try backing that off and see if it improves. Also try moving the timing around to see if it improves r not. This takes experience and some go one way when others go another. Your call.
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Re: bogging motor !
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2009 - 06:17:19 PM »
Sounds like carb issues. Either not enough or too much pump shot. Also, make sure there's no slack in the linkage that operates the accelerator pump. The pump should start to compress with any linkage movement at all.
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Re: bogging motor !
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2009 - 06:24:19 PM »
Secondary throttle plates adjustment being off will bog bad... and hard to find if you dont know about it. I chased a ghost for a year before figureing out the prob. Without the buddy that knew the stuff I'd still be messing with it. Of course this is assuming.. timings right/pump shots right/float levels right
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Re: bogging motor !
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2009 - 06:29:13 PM »
Tu Ng
 anything can cause a bog , low float level not enough or too much accelerator pump shot , timing too retarded
 which carb do you have on it ??

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Re: bogging motor !
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2009 - 06:37:53 PM »
Actually, it is just your car letting you know that ricers don't deserve the gas it would take to blow him off!
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Re: bogging motor !
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2009 - 06:56:19 PM »
Actually, it is just your car letting you know that ricers don't deserve the gas it would take to blow him off!


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Re: bogging motor !
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2009 - 07:01:15 PM »
Tu Ng
 anything can cause a bog , low float level not enough or too much accelerator pump shot , timing too retarded
 which carb do you have on it ??

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Re: bogging motor !
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2009 - 07:12:16 PM »
The first thing to do is look down the carb (motor off) with a light and make sure it squirts gas out the acc pump nozzels with the slightest movement of the trottle arm. Then make sure it has a steady stream for the whole travel of the  arm. If that checks out it could be a bunch of other things.
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Re: bogging motor !
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2009 - 09:38:14 PM »
make sure there is No play in the accelerator pump arm , lengthen the bolt if nessisary to remove play  :iagree:
the slightest throttle movement should have fuel squirting into the venturi also you need to check float levels

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Re: bogging motor !
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2009 - 04:46:02 PM »

    Ok, Thanks guys i will check it out.      :cheers:
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Re: bogging motor !
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2009 - 06:14:13 PM »
So... how about some details on the package and the tune up. If you really honestly don't know, that's ok, but it's why you lost :bigsmile: 

we can fix that...

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Re: bogging motor !
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2009 - 12:32:34 PM »
So... how about some details on the package and the tune up. If you really honestly don't know, that's ok, but it's why you lost :bigsmile: 

we can fix that...

 It probably is what chryco has said,just a little play in the squirter linkage.  But hey i'll tell you what i got !

  Its a 340 with 727 torqueflite trans and non-locking rear end.  The motor has a holley 4160/4 barrel and edelbrock torker intake. The motor was rebuilt in 2006 with a mild cam and .030 oversize pistons. I also have a full FBO ignition kit with a standard mopar single pickup electronic distributor.  Timing is set at 10*BTDC. CHAMPION sparkers set at .040"  Factory cast
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Re: bogging motor !
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2009 - 02:34:43 PM »
Old Torker or new one? You definately need headers if you expect it to perform right. The exhaust ports on the small blocks suck bad enough without stock manifolds making it worse.
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