A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

[acudanut]

This is BS. Protect our 2nd amendent

[brads70]

I hope this should wake up some people.

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million..
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:

List of 7 items:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.


The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense.
The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND 'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER! DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET..

I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment!

Preach on brother! Even here in Canada!

[AprilsPink72Cuda]

Acudanut, I just saw the same thing yesterday.  I am sending out letters against this proposed ban and encourage everyone else to do so as well. 

Thanks to who posted the NRA membership link.   

I am still waiting for my pistol permit to come back.  I submitted the paperwork in February so I hope to hear back sometime in May.  (Look out MEK).

[acudanut]

 ya, this is seroius folks.  NOT PROPAGANDA.

[bb71challenger]

This government will seriously **** up if they think people are going to just keep quiet like lambs to the slaugher. This will start a ****storm that they dont even want to have to deal with on top of all the other crap going on.

[Ghost]

Um... duh.



Politicians need more damn common sense.  If someone is willing to use a gun to commit a crime, do you really think that making guns illegal is going to stop the crime?

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

[OzCuda]

I hope this should wake up some people.

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------ --------- ---------

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------ --------- ---------

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
------------ --------- ---------

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
------------ --------- ---------

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
---- ------------ - ------------ -

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------ --------- ---------

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------ --------- --------

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million..
------------ --------- ---------

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:

List of 7 items:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.


The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense.
The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND 'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER! DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET..

I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment!

I'm sorry but this is just propaganda as well - do you really think your democratically elected government is going to murder you in your beds?  Do you really think your form of government is the same as Communism or Fascism?  Do you really think there is a real chance of ethnic cleansing on a massive scale in your country and which of the multitude of ethnic groups in the US do you think they will start with first?  Do you really think that gun control in Cambodia in 1956 is directly linked to events that took place 20 years later?

Everything you have said about Australia in support of your claims is inaccurate or wildly distorted to support your argument - I should know, I live here!  There is absolutely NO link between the statistics you have found and the way people live their lives in Australia - we do not have a gun culture here and guns were never used for personal protection so your link between our gun control and any selected variations in crime rates (if correct) are unsupportable, there is no evidence or reporting of increasing crime rates in Australia - except maybe for the bikie gangs knocking each other off.  The Australian ELDERLY (bold for impact obviously) were never sitting at home with a shotgun on their laps waiting to blow people away!!

NOTHING you have claimed constitutes a well supported argument for your case - you can't just ignore 99% of the factors and influences in history and then say I need to keep my gun.  This is just paranoia of the worst degree.  Why don't you quote how many people die in the US because of NO gun control?  And why is it that when you finally get rid of your idiot neo-con administration and install a government that the rest of the world actually respects, you think you are facing a potential dictatorship??

This isn't history, its just distortion.  If you blokes want to sit in your bunkers in your camouflage underwear waiting for your neighbours to look at you sideways so you can blow them away, or your sons and daughters in the military or police to kick in your front door (you do have American citizens in your armed forces that sort of love your country don't you? the same ones that are dying overseas to protect your freedom and way of life? - do you really think they are going to come home and say to themselves "you know what, maybe Saddam was right? - lets install a dictatorship!) then go for it but STOP using Australia, which you obviously know nothing about, to justify your fantasies of civil war and heroism.  Gun control in Australia is a good thing that Australians support!  Seriously, your post is complete rubbish.

[bb71challenger]

I dont think any of us are worried about democrats murdering us in our beds, its the street criminals that will do that if our gun rights are taken away. Its fine and dandy if your happy not being able to own guns, whatever floats your boat I say. But why consistently come in here and try to talk down to us about a right that is written into our Constitution? We know what the Second Amendment states, and we know what the Dems would like to change it to so lets just leave it at that mkay?

[OzCuda]

Not meaning to talk down to you but the original post just isn't factual.  Crime seems a serious issue in the US but the first post was specifically talking about governmental or national level crimes against humanity and using this to justify a gun control issue that people in most countries outside the US see differently.  I'm not consistently raising this issue (second post only on this topic) but I am offended when my country and our way of life is falslely represented to justify an issue that I generally disagree with.  It is my understanding that your constitution on this issue was written in the context of your independence from British rule and as such isn't exactly representative of modern issues.  Constitutions can be used to justify many things, both good and bad and all I'm trying to say is that it must be of concern when people use your constitution out of context to justify their personal beliefs. 

More guns, more gun problems - less guns, less gun-related deaths.  Transitioning from one condition to the other is most likely difficult or impossible but it doesn't mean that it isn't a position that has merit.  I think you'll find that mine was probably the only post to date that actually gave a counter opinion rather than a rally of testosterone.  'Lambs to the slaughter'  - really?
 

[farmertan]

Hey guys before you bite his head off do some research i did and found crime in aus. has held steady for years, to me this means the buy back did nothing. Crime in America is due to many things,drug war,etc but the biggest problem is repeat offenders, early release,if we had the brains to spend the money to keep them in prison and make prison life hell not the hilton crime would go down drastically.Oz do the research more guns = less crime read john lott or our gov. reports that prove this some of the safest places in America have concealed carry the most dangerous places have the most gun control like D.C., chicago etc.This is a topic that could go on and on w/no winner but in the end i plan on keeping my collection no matter what.

[lumpy]

This could get interesting. I am in agreement with most....

[bb71challenger]

I admit I did not research it but I could swear I have read more than a few times an Australian member here who talks about how violent crime has gone up where he is. In the end it does not matter to me if the statistics show it or not. I have a constitutional right to own firearms and I dont think a bunch of tree hugging liberals have the right to take that away.

[JH27N0B]

If you check Snopes about the Australian gun laws, they conclude that some of the statements from that piece are true, some are false, and some are exaggerated.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
 

[lemming303]

I have a retort Aussie.

How many jews in Germany thought that their country would "come into their beds and kill them" like you said? I'm not talking about after it all started, I'm talking about when Germany first began it's gun control, around the time that Hitler took office. I'll bet that an extremely small amount thought it would happen. And 6 million deaths later I'll bet they wish it had gone different.

You know what, I don't even want to argue this with you. You live in Australia. Maybe in Australia you don't care if you have no guns, but in America we do.

And the reason the rest of the world "loves and respects" our new president is because the rest of the world is going to s---. I couldn't care less what the "rest of the world" thinks about our president. It doesn't make him less of an idiot. And he is an idiot. But then again most politicians are.

And if Gun control is so great, then WHY DOES BRITAIN WANT THEIR GUNS BACK!

[340Challman]

Bottom line - We have a right, guaranteed us in our Constitution. Conceived and written by far more intelligent people then have come down the pipe for a long long time. It is necessary for a stable republic. It matters not what anyone from any other country feels about this issue. I live in the U.S. and in my opinion the Constitution established the best form of government that we can hope to have. I don't mean any offense to anyone of our friends in foreign countries, but how it is there has nothing to do with how it is here. If you like how it is in your country then I am very happy for you, however, we have this essential right given to us by our founding fathers. We like it, we want it and we full well intend to keep it. Certain people (namely our government) want to take this away from us. People say that our government is not oppressing us. I would ask what do you call it when the government can tell you what color car you can drive. What do you call it when the government can tell a business owner that he has no right to decide if there will be smoking allowed in his place of business. These are just two of the rights guaranteed us by our Constitution (and there are many more that are already gone) that are being slowly but systematically taken away from us.

Now our government has not functioned as per our Constitution for many years. As per our Constitution, it is our duty to throw off any form of government that does not continue to allow and protect our individual rights and liberties. Our right to bear arms is probably the only thing that has kept our current form of government from taking away our last few remaining rights and liberties. I for one am not giving the fox the keys to the hen house without a fight. I love my Country, but I am scared to death of our current form of government.

So how it is somewhere else means nothing to how it is here. I'll be keeping my firearms thank you very much.

Please excuse my rant, but I get tired of people comparing here to there and there to here. You're not in Kansas. We are.