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    Offline Ghost

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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #45 on: April 03, 2009 - 02:16:55 AM »
    M-1 are banned, according to this law?  Bullcrap.  I want one.
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    Offline 340Challman

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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #46 on: April 03, 2009 - 10:31:08 AM »
    Quote from: OzCuda on April 03, 2009 - 01:38:17 AM
    Well, now that sorted - how about those 'clunker laws'.  :cheers:

     :grinno: Nope. I've filled my rant quota for the next four years. I'm going to go have a beer. Pop the top on a real Fosters for me will ya. :drunk: :cheers:

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    Offline Mr. 6pak2go

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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #47 on: April 03, 2009 - 10:49:23 AM »
    amen brother you know that list if that would pass i would have 1 gun left the only gun that i dint see on there would be my muzzle loader!! i can learn the be a minunt man!!
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    Offline buddydog

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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #48 on: April 03, 2009 - 12:01:27 PM »
    Not to add too much controversy to this thread but....

    As I have discussed with my friends lately, the simple answer lies in history. I believe the story of Armenians buying guns just to win favor by having something to turn in is the most striking example of how tyranny and hate can work against a people. In other words, these types of disarmament do not happen overnight. They have always been slowly chipped away at.

    My point (if any) would be this: Buy them while you can and at the very least they will double in price once any ban is in place. At best, you have a method to defend yourself, family and more importantly neighbors when and if anything bad ever happens.

    Hope that could be considered a helpful contribution to the discussion.

    G

    P.S. Read U.S. history and then take a look around. Then you tell me whats gone wrong!
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    Offline JH27N0B

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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #49 on: April 03, 2009 - 02:55:51 PM »
    I wonder if even muzzleloaders are safe?  We had a murder in a town near me a month or so back where a guy killed his wife and step son with a muzzleloader.
    The guy had stabbed his first wife to death in the 80's and served 15 years before getting paroled.  A divorcee married him not long after his release ( :clueless:) and knew his history.
    The stepson was a teenager who was into civil war reenactments.  The guy used the teenagers muzzleloader to kill his wife and the boy.
    Another example of gun violence, if it wasn't for that muzzleloader, that poor murderer wouldn't have had the opportunity to kill again!!
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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #50 on: April 03, 2009 - 04:16:11 PM »
    Well i found the answer to my question,yes they still have a rabbit problem in oz,kind of like our prarie dog problem,DO NOT WATCH if you dont like bunnies being shot.Apparently some people still have guns in Aus.This guy can shoot.
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    Offline lemming303

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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #51 on: April 04, 2009 - 06:26:28 PM »
    I have a 17 and I love it! It's one of my favorite rifles!
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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #52 on: April 04, 2009 - 07:49:45 PM »
    GUNS, GUNS I need more of them. :cheers:
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    Offline common 27

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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #53 on: April 05, 2009 - 11:01:24 AM »
     Regarding the shooting of rabbits- they are delicious!
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    Offline priderocks

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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #54 on: April 05, 2009 - 11:37:47 AM »
    oz, thanks for the well-written post. You obviously put a lot of thought into it and we appreciate that.

    A little context. At the time of the Revolutionary War, about one-third of the colonists were for it, one-third didn't care, and one-third did not want independence from England. Shipping two hundred soldiers at a time on a two or three month journey across the sea is certainly not a recipe for winning a war, and Englands efforts to secure obedience by force were doomed from the onset. When the Constitution was drafted, the necessity having guns in the hands of the citizenry to resist oppression was fresh in the minds of the framers. That was the context of the Second Amendment.

    No one seriously considers having a Beretta under their mattress as an effective safeguard to help overthrow a tyrannical government. When you consider most people don't have the nerve to light illegal fireworks in the street on Independence Day, or bootleg that illegal construction project on their house without a city permit, it's hard for me to fathom individuals working up the chutzpah to start gunning down government bureaucrats. Though I do not hunt, I have been an NRA member for many years and probably own more firearms than most, maybe all of the members of this forum. I have said this before on another post, and it bears repeating- we are too comfortable in our prosperity ("Give me a big screen, or give me death") to risk jeapordizing it for something like principle.

    It is extremely rare for an individual to be so angry at government oppression that he is willing to risk his own neck to do something about it. For everyone who thinks their right to own guns is a bulwark against government tyranny, I will ask you this question, albeit a loaded one- Timothy McVeigh destroyed a government building, killing a hundred sixty-ish people in the process. He did that because of what the government did in Waco to the Branch Davidians. If your opinion of the Second Amendment was the same as the framers of the Constitution, was McVeigh a hero?
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    Offline lemming303

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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #55 on: April 05, 2009 - 12:06:30 PM »
    No, the branch davidians were kind of screwed up in the first place. Then again, I was pretty young when that happened so I may not know the whole story.

    The main point is, and it is the most simple of all of them:

    If this country was to outlaw firearms, the only people who would turn them in are the honest ones. Period.

    Drugs are illegal. The only people who don't do drugs are the honest ones.

    Stealing cars is illegal. The only people not stealing cars are the honest ones.

    What makes anyone think that by outlawing guns they will all just disappear from the US and all of a sudden we will have a much safer Utopia?
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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #56 on: April 05, 2009 - 12:10:56 PM »
     :iagree:   Short and to the point.  I am a gun owner/carrier.  Do I ever think about using them in the commission of a crime?  Not ever. Would I use them to protect me and mine?  Without hesitation.  In my previous job, I had to be mandated with the use of firearms.  There are already laws on the books that cover the possesion of fireamrs.  Those should be enforced before generating more laws to remove the guns from law abiding citizens.    :2cents: 
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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #57 on: April 05, 2009 - 12:59:52 PM »
    I love reading these "hot" topics on this site!  Gun control......what a trigger topic!   :lol:

    It always amazes me how civilized the members of CCC are, unlike the flamers and maniacs on other sites.  The same topics elsewhere start up actual name-calling fights and I'm sure that if these idiots ever met there would be violence! 

    If my memory serves me correctly, I recall that the second amendment goes something like this:
     "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    I guess there is some question as to how a "Well regulated Militia" and someone with a bunch of weapons and an attitude are in any way related.  Is not a Militia an organized voluntary military force, (based on the British Militia and dating back to the Colonial times), which is made up of ordinary citizens who provide defense, law enforcement, and domestic military service in the event of collapse of civil order or some other military threat?

    I just don't see the connection between the Second Amendment and the gun owners "Right to Bear Arms" argument.  That is not what the Second Amendment intended!  It referred to an organized military force...there is nothing remotely organized or military about gun ownership in the States!!!!

    On the other hand, I don't see a problem with gun ownership in the USA.  The gun culture is pervasive throughout the society and will not go away.  Everyone wants to have a gun......it is part of the wild West mentality that made America!  Just don't use the Constitution to support the argument!
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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #58 on: April 05, 2009 - 01:20:17 PM »
    The right of the People to keep and bear arms. I am "the People", I like keeping arms. If I ever have to bear arms to protect me and mine I will. If others in this nation who are also "the People" do not want to keep and bear arms thats ok with me, just do not come at me, trying to force me to agree with your stupid idea of utopia and to give up my Constitutional right.
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    Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    « Reply #59 on: April 05, 2009 - 01:21:32 PM »
    10s of millions of Americans own firearms.  And yet, there are very few Americans killed each year by those firearms when you really look at it.  The cost is certainly worth the freedom we enjoy.  If we are really serious about saving lives, all we have to do is limit all cars to 25 MPH.  That will save thousands every year. 

    I currently work on Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan.  There are 18,000 people here with probably 15,000 highly stressed, military and civilian individuals carrying loaded automatic weapons around all day long, and we have had no incidents.  It's not the firearms, it's the person. 
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