A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

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Offline hebeegbz

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Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
« Reply #60 on: April 05, 2009 - 03:36:17 PM »
I have guns and also believe in the 2nd amendment . but after all the hype  who here will not give up your guns if lil obama gets his way and how far are you guys willing to go to keep them .  :popcorn:
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« Reply #61 on: April 05, 2009 - 03:52:09 PM »
I would die for my belief.
 No tyranical government has the right to take our guns or our ability to get or make ammo for those guns.
If we have no guns, we are open to invasion, by other countries and by our own government controled military and police force. 
Stand united and stand strong.  We are the people.  Our belief's are what our ancestors fought and died for. 
Everyday I give thanks to OUR ancestors who died so we can have freedom.  Freedom must be fought for, not just back then, but now and our kids will have to fight for their right of freedom in the future.
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Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
« Reply #62 on: April 05, 2009 - 06:41:43 PM »
I would die for my belief.
 No tyranical government has the right to take our guns or our ability to get or make ammo for those guns.
If we have no guns, we are open to invasion, by other countries and by our own government controled military and police force. 
Stand united and stand strong.  We are the people.  Our belief's are what our ancestors fought and died for. 
Everyday I give thanks to OUR ancestors who died so we can have freedom.  Freedom must be fought for, not just back then, but now and our kids will have to fight for their right of freedom in the future.
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Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
« Reply #63 on: April 05, 2009 - 10:35:38 PM »
We had a murder in a town near me a month or so back where a guy killed his wife and step son with a muzzleloader.
The guy had stabbed his first wife to death in the 80's and served 15 years before getting paroled.
Another example of gun violence, if it wasn't for that muzzleloader, that poor murderer wouldn't have had the opportunity to kill again!!

Are you serious!!!! :eek4: You stated yourself, he killed his first wife by stabbing her, then you turn around and say "if it wasn't for that muzzleloader, that poor murderer wouldn't have had the opportunity to kill again!!". This man's actions just prove the point others have made here, if a gun isn't available a criminal will just use whatever else is available!

IT'S NOT THE GUNS CAUSING THE PROBLEM, IT'S THE PEOPLE!!!
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« Reply #64 on: April 05, 2009 - 10:43:51 PM »

If we have no guns, we are open to invasion, by other countries and by our own government controled military and police force. 

    :wavingflag: :wavingflag:AMERICAN AND PROUD!!!  :wavingflag: :wavingflag:

Cuda Hunter, I was a cop for 22 years, and I seriously doubt you would have anything to worry about cops taking your guns. Every cop I ever discussed this with has said they would quit their job before they would try to forcefully disarm the law abiding public! As for the military, I doubt that the troops would gun down their fellow citizens to enforce gun confiscation either. No, if the government is going to take our guns they will use much more subtle means.
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« Reply #65 on: April 05, 2009 - 11:00:59 PM »
My new favorite quote...

"If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words?"

I have always said the same thing, I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy. I am at least 30 minutes response time from the Sheriff. God bless them but I am not going to wait for them to show up to "save" me or my family.

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« Reply #66 on: April 05, 2009 - 11:12:40 PM »
My new favorite quote...

"If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words?"

I have always said the same thing, I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy. I am at least 30 minutes response time from the Sheriff. God bless them but I am not going to wait for them to show up to "save" me or my family.

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Here's a new one for you, "When seconds count the police are only minutes away.". 

I do not know of any of my fellow service members who would be in favor of disarming America. I do know of a bunch of politicians who would love to tax ammunition out of existence. It is much easier than causing a hub bub with plans of "taking guns away". Death by a thousand cuts.

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« Reply #67 on: April 05, 2009 - 11:17:42 PM »
Cuda Hunter, I was a cop for 22 years, and I seriously doubt you would have anything to worry about cops taking your guns. Every cop I ever discussed this with has said they would quit their job before they would try to forcefully disarm the law abiding public! As for the military, I doubt that the troops would gun down their fellow citizens to enforce gun confiscation either. No, if the government is going to take our guns they will use much more subtle means.


Glad to hear that.  I workout with a few police officers and they say the same thing.  I just hope that is the case if anything terrible ever happened.   :2thumbs:
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« Reply #68 on: April 05, 2009 - 11:55:16 PM »
"I guess there is some question as to how a "Well regulated Militia" and someone with a bunch of weapons and an attitude are in any way related.  Is not a Militia an organized voluntary military force, (based on the British Militia and dating back to the Colonial times), which is made up of ordinary citizens who provide defense, law enforcement, and domestic military service in the event of collapse of civil order or some other military threat?

I just don't see the connection between the Second Amendment and the gun owners "Right to Bear Arms" argument.  That is not what the Second Amendment intended!  It referred to an organized military force...there is nothing remotely organized or military about gun ownership in the States!!!!"

am i reading this wrong or did you contadict yourself? the best example i've seen, to demonstrate the 2nd amendment,is in the movie"the patriot".if god forbid we are ever invaded(and you never really know)who do you think would back up the military,if and when they might need it?call me crazy but we have 2 long borders and a lott of coastline to defend,and a lot of miltary out of the country.let your mind go and think about it.

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« Reply #69 on: April 06, 2009 - 12:11:57 AM »
It IS what the founding fathers intended. Why would they break the shackles of the English just to write laws that would shackle everyone else a few generations later? I believe that the founding fathers wrote the Second Amendment with the express intention that a group of citizens should have the right to own arms in case their liberty were threatened.......BY ANYONE OR ANY GROUP. That includes our government which by the way is moving ever so farther away from what it was created as......A REPUBLIC.
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« Reply #70 on: April 06, 2009 - 12:29:05 AM »
For anyone who wants to step into a brilliant mind & explore it, the mind of someone who was legitimately concerned for his own generation & those of generations to come, read everything you can find written by Thomas Jefferson.

A new revolution may be at our doorstep.  :2cents:

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« Reply #71 on: April 06, 2009 - 12:42:11 AM »
Please don't get me wrong, I am NOT promoting gun control or confiscation in any way. 

I am simply questioning what appears to me to be a mistake made by the pro gun people when they wave the Second Amendment around to justify their posession of guns for use against criminals.  That is NOT what the founding fathers intended. Do some research on the history and different versions of the Constitution in general and the Second Amendment in particular.  LOTS of good arguments and interpretations there!!

The organized Militia mentioned in the Amendment was to be used for a different purpose.  It is made up of ordinary citizens who provide defense, law enforcement, and domestic military service in the event of collapse of civil order or some other military threat.

Owning and using weapons for defending yourself, your family or your property is a totally different thing! Keep the guns, use them responsibly, shoot the baddies, feel safer, create a secure community...whatever.  The law protects these rights.  Just don't think that that is what is enshrined in the Constitution!
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« Reply #72 on: April 06, 2009 - 12:47:56 AM »
Are you serious!!!! :eek4: You stated yourself, he killed his first wife by stabbing her, then you turn around and say "if it wasn't for that muzzleloader, that poor murderer wouldn't have had the opportunity to kill again!!". This man's actions just prove the point others have made here, if a gun isn't available a criminal will just use whatever else is available!

IT'S NOT THE GUNS CAUSING THE PROBLEM, IT'S THE PEOPLE!!!
I was being sarcastic!! :rofl:
This guy never should have been released from prison in the first place.  And WTF was this woman doing marrying him.  I don't get it, woman getting involved with convicted murderers.  The local news here talking about this Drew Peterson guy whose wife died under suspicious circumstances shortly after she said she wanted to divorce him, then not long afterward he marries some babe 20 years younger than him.  Then she vanishes off the face of the earth.  Now he's got some woman half his age living with him.  Crazy, simply insane. I don't get it. Our society has some real problems and guns are the least of them.......

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« Reply #73 on: April 06, 2009 - 07:58:59 AM »
What people have to realize is things are not the way they used to be. Guns were a tool, almost everyone carried one at all times. They were not feared the way they are now. If you left your flintlock at home you just might miss an opportunity for some tasty venison and a militia was nothing more than a group of your peers drinking a beer at the pub. The People are guaranteed the right to own and bear arms, just read it slowly, word for word. 
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Re: A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
« Reply #74 on: April 06, 2009 - 09:11:41 AM »
I was being sarcastic!! :rofl:


I thought maybe you were, but it was a good opportunity to point out the real issue, which isn't the gun! :2thumbs:
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