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Offline Bondavi

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Change Drama into Obama! This leaves me wondering...how much farther this Obama power grab can go.... government "encouraging" Chrysler to go out....

Bottom line. We have 2009 R/T's and SRT-8's. Will they fall victim or not? If so, a black 6-spd R/T or SRT-8 may be in the plans.

They may not be the "investments" they once were regarded as, but at least I'd know I'm getting a piece of something from old corporate American heritage as we knew it...

GM will soon take the hammer to some of the most wonderful cars its produced as of late - CTS-V, G8 GXP, Camaro, and others.... Corvette may be riducled into smaller-scale. Its not funny, seriously.

All this talk about liquidation - does this mean 2010's runs (will be) suspended, hence 2009's the last hurrah?

You tell me...

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Re: Chrysler bankruptcy: Grab a 08-09 Challenger while you can???!
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2009 - 11:02:17 PM »
The result of the bankruptcy can happen one way....Someone else buys Chrysler out, either another car company or the government themselves. Car lines will be trimmed and tweaked towards the "new wave" of hybrids, low-emissions, and plain point A to B vehicles. Hi po's out. GM already dismantled its hipo division.
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Re: Chrysler bankruptcy: Grab a 08-09 Challenger while you can???!
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2009 - 11:08:06 PM »
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Change Drama into Obama! This leaves me wondering...how much farther this Obama power grab can go.... government "encouraging" Chrysler to go out....

Bottom line. We have 2009 R/T's and SRT-8's. Will they fall victim or not? If so, a black 6-spd R/T or SRT-8 may be in the plans.

They may not be the "investments" they once were regarded as, but at least I'd know I'm getting a piece of something from old corporate American heritage as we knew it...

GM will soon take the hammer to some of the most wonderful cars its produced as of late - CTS-V, G8 GXP, Camaro, and others.... Corvette may be riducled into smaller-scale. Its not funny, seriously.

All this talk about liquidation - does this mean 2010's runs (will be) suspended, hence 2009's the last hurrah?

You tell me...

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Years of failed sales figures, bad production and PR and you blame a party who has been in for less than 4 months? :lol2: Maybe if the 3 large companies followed suit of the other manufactures and stopped being so stubborn and had gotten into the small car markets earlier instead of insisting on building big gas guzzling trucks then they may not have been this far up the creek. I wish they could stick around, no one wants to see Chrysler go but blaming it on Obama is laughable at best. If anything he's putting Chrysler through youthanasia. These companies need a big wake up call. Too many years of "we'll change" and "we're on track now" is just a huge load of BS. Tough times, tough calls. Time to step up to the plate and MAKE things happen.


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Re: Chrysler bankruptcy: Grab a 08-09 Challenger while you can???!
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2009 - 11:12:39 PM »
Until these companies can get rid of their legacy costs and stop paying people who dont work for them anymore, they will never be competative no matter how many hybrids they build.  These seperation bonuses must go as well.  I have left several jobs and I never recieved a dime for leaving.  Grrr.

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Re: Chrysler bankruptcy: Grab a 08-09 Challenger while you can???!
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2009 - 11:22:40 PM »
Yeah I agree, blaming the car companies failures on Obama is not right. Now blaming his party and their idiotic antics which brought about this financial disaster? Now that is something I wholeheartidly believe. The Democrats could not find their ass with both hands and a road map
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Re: Chrysler bankruptcy: Grab a 08-09 Challenger while you can???!
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2009 - 11:27:24 PM »
I heard the government has agreed to eat thier legacy costs if they go bankrupt. I fail to see how that's a good deal for taxpayers. :clueless:
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Re: Chrysler bankruptcy: Grab a 08-09 Challenger while you can???!
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2009 - 12:18:41 AM »
I heard the government has agreed to eat thier legacy costs if they go bankrupt. I fail to see how that's a good deal for taxpayers. :clueless:

What was the last "good deal" you ever got as a taxpayer? As far as I can see, our money (the 50% that is left over after the bureaucracy) is really only ever spent to fix things that have already broken, be it people or programs. At this point though, it isn't even our money anymore is it? When we are borrowing millions a day from China and other nations, I don't think we can complain about what is being done with our money. Previous to the "recession" it was said that our tax dollars were just beginning to pay off the Korean conflict. So GM, Ford, bailouts, etc is on generations so far down the line our children won't even know them.

When we stop and look at how much effort has been made to move foreign car companies to our soil (tax breaks, free land, etc.) and compare that to the insane amount of .gov and union involvement and regulation towards our own manufactures, then we may be able to fix things.

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Re: Chrysler bankruptcy: Grab a 08-09 Challenger while you can???!
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2009 - 05:56:57 AM »
I agree, the US car makers and their unions have done this to themselves.  Let's make so-so engineered cars that are more affordable while paying 5x the labor cost and benefits of our competitors and support a union at the same time... hmmm something doesn't add up.
Just my opinion but we did this to ourselves. 

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Re: Chrysler bankruptcy: Grab a 08-09 Challenger while you can???!
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2009 - 08:40:26 AM »
I like how everyone blames the Democratic party for the 8 years of failed Republican Rule.

unreal.  :eek4:

Im worried about the new Challenger too. i hope it stays.  :popcorn:
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Re: Chrysler bankruptcy: Grab a 08-09 Challenger while you can???!
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2009 - 09:16:00 AM »
And the bankruptcy will change things how?  :dunno:  I just read the Unions have maintained their pensions, healthcare, etc after the bankruptcy occurs....Am I missing something  :clueless:
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Re: Chrysler bankruptcy: Grab a 08-09 Challenger while you can???!
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2009 - 10:29:45 AM »
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I like how everyone blames the Democratic party for the 8 years of failed Republican Rule.

I blame Obama for attempting to take government ownership of banks and car companies.  These are the first steps toward socialism...something Obama swore he wasn't for.

I also laughed when I heard Obama say that the government would stand behind your car warranty (that's not socialism?).  I can't wait to hear him tell me that I'm not going to pay a lot for that muffler...or see him doing Sham-Wow commercials (are you following me, camera guy?.

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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2009 - 10:37:13 AM »
The more I think about it, Sham-Wow might make a good campaign slogan for him for 2012!

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Re: Chrysler bankruptcy: Grab a 08-09 Challenger while you can???!
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2009 - 12:27:22 PM »
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Does "majority rule" in Congress ring any bells? That's part of the equation, not only who is president at the time.

The $780 billion "economic package" pitched at the presidential campaign, ballooned to $4+ trillion in a matter of weeks. And there's more coming.

Back to the car.   :burnout:

I like how everyone blames the Democratic party for the 8 years of failed Republican Rule.
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Re: Chrysler bankruptcy: Grab a 08-09 Challenger while you can???!
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2009 - 12:28:07 PM »
"Maybe if the 3 large companies followed suit of the other manufactures and stopped being so stubborn and had gotten into the small car markets earlier instead of insisting on building big gas guzzling trucks then they may not have been this far up the creek."

Obviously spoken by someone who has spent little or no time in the US! :2cents:  Small cars have never enjoyed widespread popularity here in the states outside of some sales surges during gas price spikes.  Priuses were back ordered last summer and dealers were charging surcharges.  Now that gas prices have fallen back, they are gathering dust on the lots and the few that want one can buy one at a nice discount.  In fact, cars and trucks from all the makers are gathering dust on the lots, but if you check the sales stats, you'll find that small and hybrid sales have fallen off at a higher rate than larger cars and SUVs this year.
Americans love big cars!  I am not trying to defend or criticize that, just stating a fact.  Despite the preaching of politicians and some in the media against that, it is true that Americans tend to think "bigger is better".  Check the top 10 sales figure lists in the US over the years and there are always 2 or 3 pickup trucks.  And for many of the others, what do you define as small?  The Toyota Camry???  I was on a business trip last year and our rental was a Camry.  I couldn't believe it when my colleague pulled up in our Camry at the airport, I didn't recognize it as I hopped in, it was huge!!  Bigger by far than my Lincoln LS. I'd estimate the 2008 Camry is close to 50% larger than a 1990 Camry   Foreign automakers have greatly increased the size of their most popular cars like Camrys and Accords to satisfy the American tastes for large cars.  They are the size and weight of what smaller "large" cars and larger "intermediate" cars were 20 years ago.
Why are the U.S. auto makers in so much trouble today?  The largest factor is the unprecedented drop in sales that started last summer.  Car sales dropped 40-50% and that has caused much stress for almost all automakers, U.S. and foreign.  Few businesses have reserves deep enough to weather such an extreme contraction of their business, without big problems.  And because of the financial crisis, money in the form of credit lines could not be obtained to try to sustain their overhead until better times.  The only reason Ford has been in better shape than the other two, is that they had negotiated a huge line of credit before this crisis hit, they had to sell their soul to get it, but now in retrospect they are looking pretty smart for what they did.  We'll have to see if they too experience severe problems later on, but for now they are doing OK it seems.
Even companies like Toyota have have been badly hurt, the problems certainly aren't limited to the US automakers.
I'm not saying Chrysler or GM are blameless for their current ills, they certainly allowed themselves to be burdened by excessive union demands, an inefficient and overly large dealership network, too many brands and "badge engineering", etc., but the main thing that is killing them is this economic crisis that is affecting the entire world economy now caused by the result of too much greed, too many bankers, too much leverage and too many people and governments living beyond their means borrowing money.
I sure hope both GM and Chrysler can reorganize and stay in business.  And I hope they can continue to offer a full lineup of everything from compact cars up to trucks and some performance cars like Corvettes and Challengers!
I doubt that will happen though, with governments heavy hand involved in the running of the reorganized companies, they will probably not be allowed to sell much beyond small and hybrid vehicles that will never sell in high volumes.  That being the case, their long term prospects are bleak at best. :(
Take good care of those new Challengers, they may very well be just a two year run and those made during that time will be in demand by enthusiasts for many decades!

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Re: Chrysler bankruptcy: Grab a 08-09 Challenger while you can???!
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2009 - 02:34:29 PM »
Dodge sold more Challengers in January than Toyota sold Priuses.

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