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Offline Katfish

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Need pic of SB heads (CC side)
« on: May 12, 2009 - 05:42:25 PM »
I'm going to index my spark plug, but I'd like to see what the combustion chamber / valve orientation looks like.

Anyone have a pic of the SB heads from the bottom?


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Re: Need pic of SB heads (CC side)
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2009 - 05:53:47 PM »
587s

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Re: Need pic of SB heads (CC side)
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2009 - 06:33:20 PM »
Are those mine? :drool:

Tom :biggrin:
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Re: Need pic of SB heads (CC side)
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2009 - 07:27:37 PM »
That's a great pic, it's a SB?

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Re: Need pic of SB heads (CC side)
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2009 - 08:06:22 PM »
That's a great pic, it's a SB?

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Yes, those are the SB 587 heads found on 360's and later 340's.  I do believe that those currently reside on my Stroker.

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Re: Need pic of SB heads (CC side)
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2009 - 01:24:02 AM »
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Re: Need pic of SB heads (CC side)
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2009 - 11:54:55 AM »
Yes Tom, straight out of your "engine pics" folder.. well, resized a hair..lol. All LAs basically look like that. Same valve orientation, point the plug gap at the exh valve and you're there.

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Re: Need pic of SB heads (CC side)
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2009 - 04:08:57 PM »
How much of a difference does "indexing" make? And I assume that it means lining the spark plugs up on the inside of the head? What if they are multiple-point spark plugs like the Bosch with four points?
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Re: Need pic of SB heads (CC side)
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2009 - 06:44:35 PM »
I guess it varies, but this is the best info I've found so far.

http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/spark_plugs/s_plug%20_indexing.htm

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Re: Need pic of SB heads (CC side)
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2009 - 09:00:11 PM »
most guys find a little by doing it. It's not enough for me to bother. But there is power there. also, there are a few ideas on where to point them. I always went with exh valve, but there are other opinions on that.

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Re: Need pic of SB heads (CC side)
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2009 - 11:52:53 PM »
So do you just put thin washers on it to make it line up? I've never heard or thought about this until now.
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Re: Need pic of SB heads (CC side)
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2009 - 01:50:13 PM »
Is it really worth it?  I've never imagined that it makes much of a difference.
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Re: Need pic of SB heads (CC side)
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2009 - 09:12:38 AM »
Where the ground strap ends up in terms of clock position around the plug's base is a crap shoot in the plug manufacturing process. So when a plug is threaded in, the strap can end but between the mixture and the spark. This means the flame kernel that begins the burn has to "go around" the strap and that can cause a greater tendancy for low speed misfire and lost economy, lower vacuum levels, and lost power. There definately is power to be found. But, I find it a PITA, and it has to be done for every plug and each individual hole. So you need a bunch of the special washers. Change a plug, you need to re-index. Remove and retorque plugs routinely, and you may over time have to re-index it. If it's a class racer looking to back up a record, or a car with poor idle and plugs that show more than one or two are having this issue, then it might be worth doing. There is power to be found. But I dont think in most engines it will be more than 1-3%. On a 425hp street engine, that's only 10-13hp at best, and that's assuming the engine has a  problem due to electrode shrouding to begin with. It's a given there's power there. But it's like removing an air cleaner... You will almost always get more power, but not a lot and the flip side (in this case) is a bit of effort.