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Offline resq302

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Its all about the details....front suspension rebuild
« on: May 15, 2009 - 09:32:51 AM »
Ok, nearing the end of our resto or at least in the final stretch, we have come across to our front suspension.  Yes, that lovely multitude of moving parts that someone has painted the generic semi flat black.  Now since our 70 chally vert is going back to factory specs and appearance, I need some help with a list of what should be what color.  The car is a manual drum brake car with power steering if it matters.

This is the list of what I think the colors should be:

Spindles -  natural cast iron
steering knuckles/lower ball joint - heat treated cast iron
upper ball joint - natural steel
backing plate for brakes - semi flat black
strut rods - natural steel
lower control arm - natural steel coated in cosmoline
upper control arm - natural steel but have also heard could be semi flat black
tie rods - cast iron
adjuster sleeve - semi flat black
center link - heat treated cast iron
pitman arm - heat treated cast iron
idler arm - heat treated cast iron

Also, what color should all of the nuts and bolts be for these?  I know the nuts for the tie rods and ball joints should have been the tri-castle nut design.

Thanks in advane,

Brian




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Re: Its all about the details....front suspension rebuild
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2009 - 09:37:47 AM »
 black phosphate dipped for castle nuts.

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Re: Its all about the details....front suspension rebuild
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2009 - 03:32:19 PM »
Troy from Simi Dodge MP's Challenger TA

This car had about 40K original miles in So Cal all of it's life less than 10 miles from the original dealer. All the suspension was original, so all the factory markings were still there. All markings you see were there before and documented. Had all original paint too. Just someone did some motor work, headers and lightly spray bombed the engine compartment.

Sorry for the size, but it helps.




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Re: Its all about the details....front suspension rebuild
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2009 - 03:35:40 PM »
Beautiful shots. Any more?
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Re: Its all about the details....front suspension rebuild
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2009 - 03:40:50 PM »
Beautiful shots. Any more?


This car was was restored by Troy in a two car garage. He is the head Judge we have at Spring Fling. He did everything himself except the paint. This is Troy the top seller of Mopar Performace and TTI stuff formally of Westoaks Mopar Performace now of Simi Dodge Mopar Performance (805) 578-8144.


http://www.cpwclub.com/membercars/a1_06TroyTA01.JPG
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http://www.cpwclub.com/membercars/9_16_07TroyTA17.JPG
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All done in this garage. No lifts, no rotesserie... Sometimes you just can't pay to have a certain level of detail and research done to a car. You just can't bill those kinds of hours out.

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Re: Its all about the details....front suspension rebuild
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2009 - 03:43:14 PM »
Awesome thanks.  :2thumbs:
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Re: Its all about the details....front suspension rebuild
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2009 - 04:46:23 PM »
Is there a restoration or reference section here that these picture could be posted/linked?? I took them because I thought they would help someone. Especially the inprocess pics that don't have components blocking other things.   :1zhelp:
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Re: Its all about the details....front suspension rebuild
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2009 - 07:30:33 PM »
Is there a restoration or reference section here that these picture could be posted/linked?? I took them because I thought they would help someone. Especially the inprocess pics that don't have components blocking other things.   :1zhelp:

You can post them in "The archives" board. It's a little further down on the main board.

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Re: Its all about the details....front suspension rebuild
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2009 - 08:55:17 PM »
You can post them in "The archives" board. It's a little further down on the main board.


Thanks. Did that.
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Re: Its all about the details....front suspension rebuild
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2009 - 07:51:49 PM »
The torsion bar adjustment screws look silly, stick'in out so far!

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Re: Its all about the details....front suspension rebuild
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2009 - 08:06:48 PM »
The torsion bar adjustment screws look silly, stick'in out so far!

Those pictures are without the motor in. Suspension was not adjusted at all at that point.

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Re: Its all about the details....now onto undercoating...
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2009 - 11:06:23 AM »
When the undercoating was applied to the front wheel wells.  What was installed prior to the undercoating?  Was the plastic rear splash shield installed before or after the undercoating?  What about the side marker lights and parking lights?  Bumper brackets?  Suspension parts?  Anyone have pics of how it was applied?

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Re: Its all about the details....front suspension rebuild
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2009 - 05:25:10 PM »
The fender tar undercoating was sprayed after assembly, cause it's found only on top of the screws that hold the fender splash shield, in front of the door hinges and on the left rear wheel well brake line.

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Re: Its all about the details....now onto undercoating...
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2009 - 06:04:59 PM »
When the undercoating was applied to the front wheel wells.  What was installed prior to the undercoating?  Was the plastic rear splash shield installed before or after the undercoating?  What about the side marker lights and parking lights?  Bumper brackets?  Suspension parts?  Anyone have pics of how it was applied?

First I think you have to seperate the wheel well standard undercoating that every car got from the optional full undercoating you could get.

The T/A pictured above is a standard everycar undercoating. It was also a Hamtramk build car. LA cars seem to be different on somethings. I'm not sure about the undercoating pattern differences if any, but just alway be aware of the plant and build date period. I know of three 68 LA built darts that I have looked at in the last 6 months that clearly have black primer-type underneath instead of the grey primer that other plants used on Darts. I'm pretty sure LA built E-bodies got black underneaths instead of grey like Hamtramk. Anyone have an E-body LA built car with a super mint underside???

My 71 Challenger R/T A/C car has full undercoating. My rear sway bar has undercoating on it.

The original undercoating didn't get far enoungh on Troy's T/A to reach the bumper brackets.

The front fender side markers are sort of debatable if they got undercoating on the back or not.

Troy actually found factory blackout paint behind his front valence. That was strange.

I asked and he said the side marker, parking lights, and splash shields were on before undercoating on his car. The amount of overspray varies a lot from car to car on those.

He has a couple thousand pictures of before, dissassembly, restored, and assembly pictures. IMHO, in some areas this car's underneath was nicer than the "176 mile" yellow Challenger T/A. Plus seeing the low milage  climate-free parts disassembled gives you a better look than when assembled. Most cars that clean stay unrestored, but this one had the heads off at least once and the interior and paint were "just" worn enough that it was a poor example of an survivor. Troy's brown T/A only had 30K miles on it before he restored it.
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Re: Its all about the details....front suspension rebuild
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2009 - 06:47:30 PM »
My T/A is a full undercoat car. It has undercoating on the rear sway bar, axle bump stops, frame tie down brackets, gas tank & fuel line. The undercoating had to have been applied after the car was pretty much complete.

As far as a "spray pattern" goes, no two cars would be exactly the same.

Some type of mask was used in the front A-Arm area as an example, but overspray patterns & thickness of the material vary a lot from side to side on the same car.

Also, door skins & rear quarters had sound deadener applied before the skins were mounted the door frame /  body.

I had a '73 Charger that was missing a body plug in the floor, the carpet got squirted with undercoating because of it, cool to see.

This is a great case of 'put it back the way you found it' if you are restoring the car, the car itself is the best reference you can use if it is original.