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Octane/Compression questions
« on: June 10, 2009 - 10:19:23 PM »
What is the absolute highest compression you can run with aluminum heads on 93 octane? Also, what if I added a bottle or two (dependent on mix ratio) of octane boost?
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Re: Octane/Compression questions
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2009 - 11:15:06 PM »
Octane boost is garbage and really won't help you at all.  Buy rocket fuel or blend 93 with toluene or xylene to bring the octane up.
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Re: Octane/Compression questions
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2009 - 12:00:07 AM »
Here is the formula to figure using tolulene


Octane ratings can be very easily calculated by simple averaging.

Toluene is 114 octane. So use this formula to figure what octane you get:

( Gallons_of_gas * Octane_of_gas ) + ( Gallons_of_toluene * 114 )
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                        Total Gallons

This gives the octane of the mixture after you add toluene.


For example, the tank of an Audi A4 1.8TQ is 15.6 gallons. Filling it with 14.6 gallons of 92 octane
and 1 gallon of toluene (114 octane) will yield a fuel mix of:

    (14.6 * 92) + (1 * 114)   
  -----------------    =   93.4
                15.6

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Re: Octane/Compression questions
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2009 - 12:20:49 AM »
LS7 has 11:1 compression.  You will need to do all the steps to avoid detonation.  Without fuel injection, the leanest cylinder will be one of the limiting factors.   Then you can't be sure of the quality of the gas at the pump, so you'll have to lower the ratio to account for that unless the octane booster really works.  Last of all, do you have enough $$$ to cover parts replacement expenses if things don't go the way you expected, IE detonation hammers the rod bearing, melts piston tops, etc.
Look for small aluminum specs on the porcelin of the spark plugs, that tells you pistons are melting.
Airflow is very important for making torque and power, maybe give up a little compression and really go for airflow...from air cleaner to end of tailpipe.
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Re: Octane/Compression questions
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2009 - 01:43:05 AM »
this varies a lot , approx 11:1 is max but the elevation you live at , cam duration & overlap , affect dynamic compression so it could be more or less

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Re: Octane/Compression questions
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2009 - 01:45:59 PM »
You have to know what cam is being used. I run as high as 11.8 and I know many that run higher, but not with small cams.

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Re: Octane/Compression questions
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2009 - 02:31:27 PM »
Ditto the above two.

My 11:1 360 only produces 130psi of cranking pressure beause of overlap and altitude.

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Re: Octane/Compression questions
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2009 - 09:58:42 PM »
Well when I finally get to it I'm gonna build as beefy an engine as possible, and I'm looking for every bit of power I can get. I'm thinking of just going with a procharger. I don't know. I'm still a long ways off from this point.
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Re: Octane/Compression questions
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2009 - 10:47:47 PM »
What is the absolute highest compression you can run with aluminum heads on 93 octane? Also, what if I added a bottle or two (dependent on mix ratio) of octane boost?

octane boost is junk......... I run 11.12 to 1 compression on pump gas with no issues at all.... camshaft plays into this as well...... higher duration at .050 bleeds off more cylinder pressure and can run higher compression  :working:

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Re: Octane/Compression questions
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2009 - 07:03:15 PM »
Well its gonna be a roller cam engine, so duration shouldn't really be a problem.
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Re: Octane/Compression questions
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2009 - 07:14:38 PM »
Well its gonna be a roller cam engine, so duration shouldn't really be a problem.

I think you misuderstanding about something  :working:

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Re: Octane/Compression questions
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2009 - 09:27:00 PM »
Well please explain then, I am still learning. That's why I'm here.
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Re: Octane/Compression questions
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2009 - 12:10:41 PM »
Go play with this calculator some and you can begin to see the differences between static vs dynamic compression and the effect that bore size, stroke, altitude and cam specs will have on the resulting dynamic ratio.  Typically shooting for 180 psi of cylinder pressure is considered the safe zone for maximum pump gas pressure. http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/comprAdvHD.htm
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Re: Octane/Compression questions
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2009 - 04:41:08 PM »
Octane boost is garbage and really won't help you at all.  Buy rocket fuel or blend 93 with toluene or xylene to bring the octane up.
Where can one buy toluene?

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Re: Octane/Compression questions
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2009 - 06:27:49 PM »
If you want to boost your octane a few bumps, this is the real deal. A lead substitute.   :grinyes:

I basically use a teaspoon per gallon of gas for my needs.

http://www.kemcooil.com/products.php?cId=4

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