Carbon tax dangerously close

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Offline leithal

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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2009 - 10:05:45 PM »
Ragtopchally are you selling your muscle cars to buy a bike to get around.  That would definately help save the planet...you go!




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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2009 - 12:26:59 AM »
Reading this article scares the heck out of me:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31585732/ns/us_news-environment
I laughed and I then cried when I saw some of the pie in the sky hogwash in this article.  Many of the auto workers will lose their jobs but they will all find wonderful jobs in factories cranking out wind turbine blades and batteries?  Are people really that gullible that they believe a fairy tale like that? :clueless:
Does anyone in the US even make batteries, I think they are all made in Asia???
And all this talk about building a bunch of new nuclear power plants...another fairy tale!
Back in the late 70's and early 80's the liberals and Hollywood types managed to bury the nuclear industry with exaggerated risks.  Anyone remember the "no nukes" concerts?
So as a result we haven't had a new nuclear plant built in almost 30 years.
But now the liberals think nuclear is great because it doesn't create that terrible CO2 that they have decided will destroy the earth. My what a difference a couple decades makes!
What do the sheeple think, these things design themselves???
I have some engineer friends who are in the nuclear field.  As one of them told me, "All the nuclear engineers are like me, in their late 50's or early 60's, after this field got crushed 30 years ago no new engineers have been coming into this area and getting the training and experience needed.  We'll all be retired in 5 years, where are they going to get the engineers to design all these new plants?  There will be no one left qualified to do the work necessary to design any new plants in a few years!"
But fairy tales are so much more fun than reality!!
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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2009 - 08:04:09 AM »
You're exactly right.  I have to laugh when they talk about all the green jobs for the electric cars.  There is absolutely no way any of the batteries will be manufacturered here.  All the batteries are built in China and other developing countries, there are so many nasty byproduct chemicals needed for the process.

The net effect will be MORE job loss.

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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2009 - 08:59:21 AM »
I agree with you guys, especially about the 'sheeple' comments. I am glad to see more and more people voicing opinion on web boards, ect.  At least people are waking up. But what I want to know is when is the time that we all grow some real hair on our balls ... ban together and physically MAKE thing happen?

like a Boston Tea party..
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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2009 - 09:06:06 AM »
Ragtop....I am sorry to inform you that you have overdosed on liberal Kool Aid and recommend immediate treatment.  :poopoke: Stop getting all you info from liberal rags and news outlets.  Promoting agendas mean people are deceiving you...think about it.   
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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2009 - 12:03:22 PM »
I agree with you guys, especially about the 'sheeple' comments. I am glad to see more and more people voicing opinion on web boards, ect.  At least people are waking up. But what I want to know is when is the time that we all grow some real hair on our balls ... ban together and physically MAKE thing happen?

like a Boston Tea party..


Take a while over your morning coffee and watch this video and the others by the same guy.  Does he have it right?
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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2009 - 12:26:31 PM »
Katfish, I certainly agree woth most of your opinions, and I am from south florida and have been watching the FPL issues very closely. It seems when you dig down, at the core of the "green" movement", the hidden or least talked about part of the agenda boils down to this: tax and make things that are "socially unacceptable", like driving gas guzzlers, and consuming a lot of energy, so expensive that consumption will drop. All the while using the tax proceeds to build ever bigger bureaucracies and pass ever tighter regulations. And guess what, no matter how much it drops, it will NEVER be enough, until we're all walking to work and using candles again at night. Actually, no, candles produce too many hydrocarbons!
Past philosophers and historians have written and warned about these problems and foreseen our future. It seems that people will put up with a lot of tyranny before they finally get fed up with it all. The problem with that is, since the yolk is so far around the neck by that time, it takes violence to get it off at that point.
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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2009 - 12:44:24 PM »
And the ironic thing is, they dont really care about the environment...its all about money, and power. We have the cleanest industries of all the G10, or whatever it is now. The air and water in this country is as clean as its been in many decades. There are more trees in this country now than at any time in the past few thousand years, and where do you think all the jobs are going....to China, India, the Pacific rim in general, and anywhere else the pollution regs are either non-existant or not enforced.
And dont get me started on oil. We have enough here in north America to satisfy US and Canada demand, if we kept it all here, for probably hundreds of years. They keep finding more HUGE deposits all the time!!
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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2009 - 09:30:46 AM »
First they changed ther terminology from global warming to climate change, boy that fooled a lot of people. The house paseed by a mere 7 votes, eight of which were republicans, 44 democrats voted against it. I doubt it will pass the senate vote. Also if there is a global (actual circumatance) problem why is Americian people destined to cure it? What about populations like China and India also being held accountable?  These so called excessive heat and cold climates we are told have been happening for millions of years, and they will continue I would suppose. But this bill seems to be one that will eventually cost jobs instead of create them, and more taxes the general public cannot afford.   :dunno:  :clueless:
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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2009 - 01:09:08 PM »
the only form of gov that ever lasted was located in Constantinople. it lasted over 1000 years. the people were smart enough to keep one race out of politics and power. you figure who the trouble makers were (are)! S

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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2009 - 02:13:52 PM »
It is unfortunate that the country may have reached a vote tipping point of at least close to 50% of the population actually WANTING more government in their life. I honestly feel many people have sort of given up, or maybe have just grown up believing that government is the answer to all their problems. And to those that were deceived, it may not be too late but they have to swallow their pride and change their voting ways starting NOW.
Its scary whats going on out there, and I'm a businessman, one of millions, that is NOT going to be investing my hard earned savings in expanding my business...not in this climate. If Washington had for the most part just let things play out, the economy would probably be turning around by now. Instead, even darker clouds are forming, and I and tens of millions other do NOT like it.
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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2009 - 09:11:36 PM »
the only form of gov that ever lasted was located in Constantinople. it lasted over 1000 years. the people were smart enough to keep one race out of politics and power. you figure who the trouble makers were (are)! S

Wow, show your true colors huh? Pretty sure there was a guy in Germany a few years back thought that way too.

I thought this was a car forum? Not a liberal/democrat bashing forum?  :dunno:

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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2009 - 09:22:41 PM »
So, would I be wrong to think about building an engine to run on propane?  Maybe I could still drive it around then after all the other crap passes.
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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2009 - 09:54:15 PM »
Another liberal fairy tale concerning their environmental agenda.
They want us all to be driving battery powered cars and "plug in hybrids".
Global warming would be cured and we'd all live happily ever after if we drove cars like that right?
A little problem though.  What if lots of people started driving these types of cars, what would life be like in this perfect world?  Since a large percentage of the working public work days and tend to drive home from work in a similar timeframe, getting home between 5 and 7, that means that every weekday late in the afternoon you will have millions of people pulling into their driveways and garages, and then plugging their great cars into their chargers.
This creates a big surge in electrical usage at that time, and our electrical grid cannot even begin to provide for this as it exists today. Even a heatwave creates brownouts because the system can't handle all the air conditioners running at once.
Our grid is already overtaxed, and no one argues it doesn't need a lot of work to provide for our nations future electrical needs, even without plug in cars.  But the work necessary to fix it will cost a lot of money and none of the power companies will invest the billions needed to do the work unless their efforts will be profitable.
Of course, our current administration is printing billions of dollars in stimulus funds, so maybe the government will fix the grid and then indeed we can all live happily ever after?
Don't hold your breath....

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Re: Carbon tax dangerously close
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2009 - 10:56:06 PM »
Watch this, and I'm also gonna post a whole topic about since I know not everyone will read it here.

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