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Offline 6packCuda

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How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« on: June 27, 2009 - 09:57:58 PM »
I noticed today that the tie rod on the drivers side rubs on the torsion bar. On the other side I've got a good 1.5" of clearance. Do I have the wrong pitman arm or possibly a bent pitman arm? Ride height is equal on both sides.
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Re: How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2009 - 03:11:25 AM »
you are not the only one with this problem , the clearance can vary depending on the thickness of the T bar & the type of tie rod end used

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Re: How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2009 - 06:28:27 AM »
This is the reason that there is a complete section on correcting bump steer in Chryslers own perfomance books.


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Re: How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2009 - 08:06:27 AM »
So it's normal?
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Re: How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2009 - 08:13:39 AM »
I have never seen that much difference, more like .5".


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Re: How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2009 - 08:42:50 AM »
So what can be done to correct it?
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Re: How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2009 - 08:47:06 AM »
I would guess either something is bent or you have the wrong idler arm.  1.5" is alot of clearance.  This also cause the drivers side to rub because the angle the center-link is on.


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Re: How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2009 - 10:38:03 AM »
The causes could be bent frames, bent k members, bent steering box mounts, bent torsion bar mounts, bigger t-bars, different rod ends, or different steering components. It isn't something that could be easily pointed out electronically, but would need to be put on a frame rack to check. Slight variations from one side to the other aren't unusual, but an inch and half difference is substantial.

Slight variations can be altered by shimming the steering box or modifying the idler mount. Differences as large as what you have are a different story though. Do you have a longer pitman arm? That may cause this. You may also want to do a cursory check of the frame structures. Somewhere on here is a layout of points to check a chassis for squareness. In simplest terms, you want to check diagonally from fixed points to see if there are variations on your structure. Any significant differences you may want to be verified by a body shop on a  frame machine.

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Re: How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2009 - 11:13:01 AM »
Do you have a pic of the area?

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Re: How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2009 - 11:54:27 AM »
I'll try to get some pic.s this afternoon.
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Re: How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2009 - 01:41:29 PM »
Ok. They're not the greatest pic.s, but it's the best I could do without jacking up the car. As you can see, the center link comes extremely close to the oil pan. Is that normal? The car drives straight as an arrow.







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Re: How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2009 - 06:21:42 PM »
That's weird, my oil pan doesn't come anywhere near resting on the centerlink, is that the right oil pan for the car??
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Re: How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2009 - 06:27:01 PM »
No, this car originally had a 318.
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Re: How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2009 - 06:47:51 PM »
What did the motor/oil pan you are running now come out of? The notch in the pan almost looks like the one for a C body.

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70 Cuda, 7.0L Gen-III Hemi, Viper T56 w/9310 gearset, 3.91's, Megasquirt MS3x v3.57, Innovate wideband, Firm Feel upper arms, torsion bars, springs and strut rods, QA1 DA shocks. I did everything on this car except the fancy paint stuff and I drive it...and I can't seem to stop messing with it....

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Re: How much clearance between torsion bars and tie rods?
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2009 - 06:52:31 PM »
that's a 402 pan  b/e hp bb