This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!

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Re: This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2009 - 08:05:45 PM »
This confirms my theory that stupidity was being bread out of the species until the Earth warmed...now its everywhere you look.
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Re: This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2009 - 09:36:50 PM »
I just saw a infomercial about polar bears and how they are dying off because the ice caps are melting. They may be dying and I am all about being conservative and not wasteful, but some of this stuff is just plain 'ole horse squeeze. There are actually more polar bears than there have ever been (at least since numbers have been tracked)!! :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:


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Re: This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2009 - 10:51:17 PM »
So, what is exactly your point? The the global temperature isn't going up? Over the past eight years, you'd be right. 2008 was the coolest year since 2000. But its also the ninth warmest year since 1880, when they first started recording the average global temps. You can see the overall trend here...



You can watch a cool little video animation here covering the 5 year average global temperature anomalies here, going from 1880 to 2006.

http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a003300/a003375/tempanoms_320x240.m1v

Is your point that the sheep aren't getting smaller? Seems like from the article they are, so, unless you're a population biologist, I'm gonna go with the Imperial College of London. Granted, the article was lacking on the raw data, so maybe its just a cover-up perpetuated by a bunch of British hippies that I fell for.

Now, if you want to argue that the change in climate isn't due to carbon dioxide, go for it. The level of CO2 is up to 4% globally, which is up in the last few years while the temperature has cooled, so you may very well have a point. But then you're arguing a topic most PHD's in the field don't agree on, so maybe you can drop the air of omnipotence? Even if CO2 isn't related to global warming, I don't know about you but I know I can't breathe it, so, since more C02= less 02, I'm gonna say I'm not so hell bent against putting some restrictions on the BILLIONS of tons we toss into the air every year. Changing the % of CO2 in the atmosphere is bound to have SOME effect, even if its not the one we think it is. Maybe we do control only a small percentage of what goes on globally, but, we do control that, so, why is a little prudence so obnoxious to you? 

And if you'd like to check out NASA's data for yourself, its here...

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/

http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a003300/a003375/

My point here isn't to show that you're wrong, or that you should think the way that I do. My point is that the brightest minds in the field don't agree on the subject based on the data, so what you have (and what I have) is an opinion, and not fact. As has been pointed out, there are a huge number of variables affecting global temperature and any change thereof, be it volcano's or solar flares or good old C02 puking out of manufacturing plants. Needless to say, its not a "black and white" kind of field.

Personally, I don't believe ANYONE know the exact effect of CO2 on global warming (or climate change or whatever) to the level of scientific fact. So maybe we can stop debating it here? Or at least agree that neither side has all the answers?
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Re: This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2009 - 11:21:15 PM »
All I know is, at 25,000 miles per year, and 9.5 mpg on average (93octane), I'm doing my very best to rid the earth faster of its expected 200 year remaining supply of oil. :clapping:
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Re: This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2009 - 01:49:20 AM »
I am all for global warming ... maybe it will stop dropping below freezing at night here in the summer

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Re: This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2009 - 06:59:36 AM »
Interesting post, Bryan. One good thing about putting the focus on reducing emissions where it really counts (industry) is that there will be less focus on those of us that contribute little to the problem (driving older cars) but are easily the target of the zealots.
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Re: This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2009 - 07:19:37 AM »
Have any of you read about the roots of the global warming argument? I can't remember where, but I just read about it recently. Basically it was contrived by a couple of professors at some university to get more grant funding. I think this was in 1957. I'll have to look it up again. Pretty interesting read.
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Re: This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2009 - 07:37:44 AM »
Little article on the politics goins on ...Bush was working to hide it, Obama is working to ignore
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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124657655235589119.html

         Beck Video
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/glenn-beck-politics-over-science/3967792618
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Re: This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2009 - 08:23:23 AM »
Little article on the politics goins on ...Bush was working to hide it, Obama is working to ignore
                           DAhm all politicians
   
I like the first article better, the Beck video is typical of all of the "infotainment" specialists who try just to whip up their supporters to get better ratings. Anyway, both pieces conclude that temperatures are actually going down. I try to get information on both sides of the issue and every piece I see that concludes that temperatures are going down are guilty of one common fatal flaw: they are looking at only the last few years. Every study I have seen that concludes that temperatures are going up look at the last 130 years (the history of current temperature measurements) or the last several thousand years using ice core samples. So the argument seems more scientific if you use a large sample rather than a small one.

Next, the issue taken to task especially by the Beck video is the modeling. Keep in mind that modeling is very subjective and not an exact science. In the '50s and '60s there were climate models predicting a new ice age was coming. So take models with many grains of salt - I agree with Beck on that one.

In my opinion the bottom line is, let's hedge our bets and promote a new "green" initiative in the US. We can take the lead using our vast intellectual capital, create a new industry that creates jobs and reduce carbon emissions which couldn't hurt. We've done it before: electricity, cars, computers, etc etc. Getting all panicky and making radical moves without more information is not a good idea.
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Re: This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2009 - 08:38:03 AM »
I'm with you sadil...Go Green but make it make sense...TAXing the hell out of us, & they can call it what they want, is not a good option in this economic environment.   How about tax incentives?
Let people choose their poison & reward the ones that make the environmentally friendly choice.
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Re: This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2009 - 08:41:50 AM »
I'm with you sadil...Go Green but make it make sense...TAXing the hell out of us, & they can call it what they want, is not a good option in this economic environment.   How about tax incentives?
Let people choose their poison & reward the ones that make the environmentally friendly choice.
Exactly right. There is no reason why something like this couldn't add revenue to the US economy without costing one dollar of taxes on the individual taxpayer.
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Re: This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2009 - 09:18:45 AM »
What really gets me about the whole "Global Warming" thing is the left wing slant to everything. Any evidnece to the contrary is supressed. Lets look at all of it and then develop an "opinion"

Former Global Warming Alarmist Deals Blow to Greenhouse Gas Theory:

Evans writes in The Australian newspaper that if global warming was caused by C02, scientists would have found hot spots about six miles up in the earth's atmosphere over the Tropics. Evans describes those hot spots as the signature of the greenhouse effect. He says scientists have been trying to locate them for years using thermometers attached to weather balloons.

But he says years of research "show no hot spot — whatsoever" adding that "an increased greenhouse effect is not the cause of global warming."

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Re: This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2009 - 09:50:09 AM »
But if we are warming wouldn't it actually mean we are restabilizing? Global temperatures steadily drop from the 1300 to the late 1700.   So after bottoming out, we're now going back up. The fact that their is paleolithic oil deposits under the frozen tundra suggests that the earth was certainly much warmer and more tropical in more regions than it has been any time since man's arrival.
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Re: This is the best one about "Global Warming" yet!
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2009 - 10:26:19 AM »
but of course, we're always warming or cooling. Cycles are everywhere in nature. Some last longer than others, and they're perfectly NATURAL. We may have contributed some CO2 to the atmosphere the past century or two, but who's to say it hasnt actually been a good thing. There is no perfect temperature. And if there was, who would decide at what point to set the thermostat?!  :smilielol:
And dont get me started on all the temperature data form hundreds of years ago. Do you really think accurate global temps were recorded even 60 years ago? Seriously! They have to extrapolate or interpolate their data from core samples of ice and whatever, and dont tell me there isnt a whole lot of guessing done when they do that, but of course since they're scientists, it's an educated guess at least....hopefully.
Even today they keep messing up the readings. And people, and whole agencies have been CAUGHT fudging the data! Imagine that! I wonder....could it be they're doing that to protect... THEIR GRANTS or THEIR BUDGETS!
ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! Like a wise man once said, "follow the money".
"They" cant even accurately predict the temperature two days from now, and these same people want to tell me it will be warmer 2 decades from now? PLEASE!
And virtuallly no credit given to the sun! The only significant source of heat in the solar system, which has obvious cycles as well....and virtually no serious consideration of it!? Again....PLEASE!
And in the end this stuff takes hold and gets a serious life because of....you guessed it....THE MEDIA.....who does it because of.....you guessed again.....following that money trail....MONEY. Controversial and potentially scary stuff sells. They're not stupid. They're generating bigger revenues. And when the warming part cant be legitimately pushed any more, it will then be cooling, but only after they've scared us with other contrived issues, and after a couple decades when most people have forgotten about the warming nonsense.
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