1972 js rally challenger and 1973 jh rally challenger

['Cuda Hunter]

So, I might be working my way into getting one or both of these challengers.
I was wondering what they may be worth as they both have some odd options.


73 has a title
72 , lets say no title for now

Cars are pretty straight and rust free to a point.
The 73 has had the rear passengers quarter smashed in and beat out. 
Creased the very bottom of the roof by the bottom of window and bent the deck lid.
Neither car has an engine.
Both have transmissions.
About half the glass is gone.
These are parts cars that the guy has used for 20 years for his other 4 challengers.

Fender tag info to come.

[quapman]

Pretty nice parts cars!

['Cuda Hunter]

Here is the fender tag readout and break down on the 72 rally car.

V6X--Longitudinal tape stripe--Black
26--26 inch radiator
EN2--End of tag
N 23--Electronic Ignition
N 41--Dual Exhaust w/ no tips
N 42--Chrome exhaust tips
N 85--Tachometer
R 11--Music master am radio
H 51--Air conditioning
J 25--3 speed wipers
J 52--Inside hood release
J 54--Sport hood (hood insulation pad??)
M 21--Drip rail moldings
M 42--Front end moldings
V1X--Vinyl top black
U--Tire code??
B 51--Power disk brakes
C 16--console
C 56--Bucket seats
G 11--Tinted glass All Glass
FY1--Top banana  Yellow
B6X9--Vinyl buckets black
000--??
523--Scheduled production date  May 23rd 1972
33****--??
E55--340 4 barrel v8
D34--Torqueflight transmission
JS--Hard top coupe rally challenger  ( 1972 only )
H--340 4 barrel v8
2--1972
B--Hamtrack Michigan
45****

['Cuda Hunter]

Here is the fender tag break down on the 73 rally challenger.


N 42--chrome exhaust tips
N 85--Tachometer
R 11--music master am radio
V6X--Longitudinal tape stripe--black
EN2-End tag
G 37--Dual Chrome Outside Racing Mirrors
J 52--Inside hood release
J 54--Sport hood  (hood insulation pad)
M 08--Simulated door louvers (72 option only??)
M 21--drip rail moldings
N 41--Dual exhaust w/ no tips
JY3--Light Gold
U--Tire code  ??
A 57--Rally Package
B 41--Power front disc brakes (required with 340)
C 16--Console
C 56--Bucket seats
JY3--Light Gold
A6X9--Vinyl bucket seat in black
000---
321--Scheduled build date March 21st of 1973
42****--Order number
E 55--340 4barrel v8
D 34--Torque flight transmission
JH 23--Hard top coupe
H --340 v8
3--1973
B--Hamtrack, Michigan plant
42****

[Super Blue 72]

What do you think are the odd options?  IMO, the only options that stand out on the '72 car is the inside hood release and AC, for the '73 the inside hood release.  Top Banana is a cool color but I making a wild guess that it was a popular color since it is the color of the car on the back of the '72 brochure. (Also on page 2 of brochure.)  Light Gold I would imagine as not that common a color.

As far as the M08 code on the '73, I think the simulated side louvers were available '72-'74 on the Rallye model/optioned cars unless they were deleted due to body side moulding or at a request not to have them I think.  I don't think they were a '72 option only.  Could be wrong but I've seen them on '73-'74 Rallye optioned cars.

['Cuda Hunter]

I know that the simulated side moldings are available on 72-74.  I think that the actual code of M08 is for the year 72 only.  In 73 and 74 the scoops were just added with the rally option.  So, both cars have the side moldings anyway.
  The odd options are the ones you pointed out.  That's all really.  Mostly just surprised to see air on a rally car.  However, I have no experience with challengers at all.  So, I don't know what was the norm and what wasn't.
  I should have more pics soon.  Just trying to get some kind of idea as to what I should offer for the pair of cars.  I have an idea but since I havn't really purchased many challengers, I am unsure of what the reasonable price would be. 

  Are the rally cars more valuable for those years.  Was the rally optioned 340 the top dog in those years?

[Super Blue 72]

I would make an assumption that the Rallye cars were more valuable.  I guess you could say they were the "top dog" as you referenced.  For '72, Rallye cars could be had with a 318 as well I think, they didn't come standard with a 340.  Vice versa that you could have a base Challenger with a 340 and it not be a Rallye car.  340's were the biggest engine for '72 and '73.  '74 had the 360 as the 340 was not available that year in a Challenger.  Of the 3 years, I think the '72 was more valuable despite the '74 being the scarcest year for the Challenger.  If there is a 4 speed vs a auto tranny, the 4 speed wins out for top honors.

In the VIN, the 5th digit is the engine code.  H=340, G=318.  '72 was the last year for a slant 6 in a Challenger, not sure what the engine code is for that.  I wonder if there were slant 6 Rallye cars?  I saw in a Mopar magazine there was a slant 6 Cuda, could be wrong. 

From the 2 pics above, the '73 looks to be in better shape, no?    Can't see the smashed rear quarter though.  Will have to see more pics before anyone can give a value to them.

[quapman]

Rallyes could have 318's for 72, 73 and 74, but who wouldn't rather have a 340, right?

You're correct...The side louvers were standard on 72-4, but were only on the tag in 72.

There were plenty of rallyes with A/C. However, very few 4-speeds with air.

Yes, all but 100 of these cars were yellow. (Just kidding, but there were LOTS of yellow cars in 72/73.) Gold is a more rare color, but it's kinda like green...not too desirable. (Some folks like it, but I'm not one....LOL)

Tag codes:

U: manufactured to U.S. specs
000: upper door interior color: none

Elec. ignition and disk brakes are pretty rare for a 72.

What are your plans with these cars if you do the deal?

[72rtchallenger]

from pics i would only offer $700

[Super Blue 72]

Yes, all but 100 of these cars were yellow. (Just kidding, but there were LOTS of yellow cars in 72/73.) Gold is a more rare color, but it's kinda like green...not too desirable. (Some folks like it, but I'm not one....LOL)


Elec. ignition and disk brakes are pretty rare for a 72.

  ...all but 100....

If I'm not mistaken, if you got the 340, it came standard with electronic ignition, yes?    I thought it would be more rare to see drums up front? 

[torredcuda]

Both being 340 cars they are worth fixing I`d go $1000-1500.

['Cuda Hunter]

Well, I hung out with the guy for a little while. 
He said he wanted 500 bucks apiece for the cars, alll three for 1500.00.
I didn't have the money in my pocket when I stumbled upon this place with a friend of mine.
The next day I show up with the money and a trailer and a truck with everything I need to
grab these cars.
  Suddenly the guy says, I want 4 K each for the cars. All this after he decided on 500.
I ask him what it was that suddenly priced me out of range for even consideration of purchasing
the cars.  He tells me that he looked on Ebay.  He says, those guys on ebay are paying 7 or 8 K
for cars that look like this.
  So, frustrated I explain that without  a vin on two of the cars, they are worth nothing to me aside from
parts cars.  However, I tell him I will pay 1K for the 73 with title.   That is, 1K after he finished dealing
with whatever crap he got from ebay people.  Usually a pain in the ass but sometimes people are
reliable on ebay. 
  I give him my number again and tell him I will stop by in a year and offer the same amount depending
on further condition of the car.
  It is this guys right to decide whatever he wants to do.  Even if he has 10 of these  " 60,000.00$$" cars.
He says he doesn't need the money but would hate to lose out on any money if it was possible.
Unfotunately, they will probably sit there until they are rotted worse.  They have been sitting for something like 15 years as far as I could gather.

  Anyway, the guy let me down.

  If anyone is interested in the cars I can send his info along if you want a non roller for 4 K .

 

[quapman]

...all but 100....

If I'm not mistaken, if you got the 340, it came standard with electronic ignition, yes?    I thought it would be more rare to see drums up front? 

Entirely possible...I'm just going from memory, which as I age, seems to be less and less dependable. I know (haha) all E bodies had front discs starting in 73. 72 is sort of a "gray area" year.

Josh, that's a shame about the cars. $500 apiece seemed pretty fair. Gotta love the ebay crap from someone who just looked at it yesterday for the first time. Did anyone mention to the "seller" that we're in a recession? Offer 4 thousand pesos!

['Cuda Hunter]

Oh yes, the recession was mentioned.
Apparently, being that I am in a recession as a working man doesn't seem to mean
that higher tax brackets can feel a recession.
Ah, working mans blues.  Oh well, keep my head up and look for the next deal.

 

[Super Blue 72]

Just walk away, Josh, just walk away.... 

I think I missed something.  I thought there were 2 cars?  Now 3? 

Anyhows, even the '73 for 1K might be stretching the all mighty dollar since it's missing so much stuff and it needs bodywork.  The guy shouldn't have gotten greedy.  He stated a price.  Yes, it's his perogative to change the price as they are his cars, but it's like the old bait and switch routine.  Stinker for sure.  I think you'll feel better tomorrow knowing you didn't pay what he's looking for.

   Should we call you "Chally Hunter" now? 

Who knows, he might call you later with a deal for the cars.