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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #135 on: October 19, 2009 - 07:20:25 PM »
I said before I'm cheap, lol.

If I was to drop that oil pan I would make sure my drain pan was clean and I would re-use half or more of the oil, depending on how much junk falls in. That gasket might not tear and if you have 2 drain pans you could save a good 3 of the 4 quarts of oil that comes out when the oil pan is removed.

Saving $10 on trans oil is $10 more for gas!




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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #136 on: October 20, 2009 - 05:33:21 AM »
I hear ya....I'm cheap too......It killed me seeing that almost brand new tranny fluid...all 11.5 quarts of it.....wasted when I pulled the trans the last time.....it was like new.  :money:

I may see if I can find a bigger pan for this sort of thing....and maybe put some sort of filter over it when draining......to catch any accidental crap.  Its pretty clean under the car right now and I have a drain plug so it might be doable.  $25 for the fluid is $25, like you said.

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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #137 on: October 20, 2009 - 02:48:13 PM »
Just dropping the pan and leaving the valve body in place will take 4 quarts to fill it back up (6 quarts for a deep oil pan)

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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #138 on: October 20, 2009 - 06:42:56 PM »
All right....I am officially pissed and hurtin' right now.   :stomp: :swear:

I was optimistic that all was well.

Not so fast, fate says.

The vibration is definitely gone, which is great.

But....the double bump issue is still there.

I got the car totally warmed up and hot...(it got up to 70 today and it was 65 or so this evening)....was feeling pretty good about the whole thing and found an empty parking lot to test it out in.... and tested the "go to reverse, back up, then neutral then drive and gas" thing....no problems.

So started driving home.

Saw another parking lot and figured I would try it again just to be sure.

This time I went from reverse to neutral to 1st (instead of drive) and then stepped on the gas.

BANG!

Its slipping then grabbing hard again.

Strange thing is that it isn't doing it if I just go to drive.

And, I found that if I sit in low for a few seconds (4-5 I guess)  before I step on the gas, it seems ok.

Not sure if its the stall converter masking the issue or if there is actually an improvement.

So now, what do I do guys?

Since it seems to not be doing it from neutral to drive, and if I wait a few seconds before gassing from 1st manual it seems ok, should I just "live with it" ?  And hope that adding a tranny cooler will help (since it seems to be an issue only when hot)?

Or is this an issue that will get worse and cause MORE issues later.

I am pissed that the shop had it TWICE and I am still having this issue.

I am pissed that I may have to pull this tranny AGAIN for the same issue.

But more than anything I feel like someone just took the wind out of my sails...I was feeling good about the car again.   :'(

This sucks.   :banghead:

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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #139 on: October 20, 2009 - 09:33:15 PM »
It first needs to be decided,is it taking off in a higher gear then low?
If it does the double bump even after you put it in manual low then it is a pressure loss and not a governor problem.(taking off in a higher gear - what machining the support would have fixed)
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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #140 on: October 20, 2009 - 10:07:19 PM »
Terry, it still feels like it partially engages when I shift to low at first. And like I said, if I wait 5 seconds or so it seems like it doesnt do it....

What I cant understand is why it does it when shifting to manual 1st and not when the car is in drive?   :clueless:

Isn't the tranny starting off in 1st in either case (in theory) ?

Not sure I mentioned this....but the last time I picked up the tranny the tech had mumbled something about "all stock valve bodies have some warpage to them"......I have a feeling that will be the next excuse.

A buddy of mine suggested that perhaps the case itself (the "core" if you will) is bad and it just cant be fixed......any thoughts on that?

I looked online and Cottman transmissions (the place I went to) had numerous complaints at different locations...for thoudands of dollars.....couldnt find any complaints about the shop I am using.....they are all independently owned/operated so I am sure that comes into play.  But then look long enough on the web and you will find bad stuff about many places that may not be totally fair......The shop *I* am using has a A+ rating/no compliants in last 3 years at the BBB....but I dont really put much stock in the BBB either....places I have had issues with in the past have had good ratings and they were schmucks.  The shop IS "accredited" so maybe that will hold some weight in any fight i would have with them....

I am so tired of fighting stuff.......

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update: 10/21/09 9:25 am

Called the shop a few minutes ago and spoke to the tech.

Told him that the vibration was gone, indicating that the converter they gave me was bad.   I also said that I replaced the neutral switch they provided and the new one works fine.

But that the "double-bump" was still there.

He was nice about it and said he will call transgo again and see what they say....he said he still thinks that its the pressure setting but that they told him not to touch that so he didnt.  He said that they would get back to
me today about how they will address the converter issue.....when the manager gets back.  But that he may not be able to get back to me today about Transgo and he started talking about how busy they are.

I stopped him and got serious and said that I have a certain window of time to deal with this in and that soon the car will be sitting for a while until spring and at that point my warranty will be up.  He assured me that isnt a problem and that the problem is a problem and they will address it regardless of the warranty status.

Thing is, I have no desire to be messing with this all freaking winter.

Anyways, there's the update.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2009 - 09:29:07 AM by shadango »

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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #141 on: October 20, 2009 - 11:53:20 PM »
I think on stock valve bodies the low band is on only when in 1st gear but not in drive.

You need to find another trans shop / I know they have your cash at the old shop but they are screwing around and not helping you for whatever reason who knows.

I'm guessing a low band adjustment would do it but I'm no tranny guy and the oil pan needs to come off. A good Mopar trans guy would know likely just by driving you car but you need to find him (or  her, ha ha) This shop you been going to isn't the place to go, sorry.


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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #142 on: October 21, 2009 - 10:49:04 AM »
Do you have aftermarket shifter or original? Is it adjusted correct?
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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #143 on: October 21, 2009 - 12:46:03 PM »
It's an original slap stick.

Its adjusted fine as far as I can tell...goes into all the gears when you shift to them.

How can I check that to be sure?  I guess I would need to lay under the car when its in "low" and make sure the selector leve under there is all the way forward.....

But I think it is.....it shifts down into low when you manually shift while driving.....

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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #144 on: October 21, 2009 - 01:25:40 PM »
Ask Terry to build you a valve body and try one from him.  Rule out the middle man and easy to install. It would answer atleast one of your questions

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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #145 on: October 22, 2009 - 10:35:11 PM »
The difference between "first" (meaning low gear in Drive) and Break-a-way first (mraning manually in 1st gear with the shifter) is the rear band. Both use the forward clutch. Both use the rear sprague as the pivot point but the band reinforces it. The shop should have already put pressure gages on it to see what the rear servo pressure is, and the line pressure is. That's what the ports are for. It shouldn't do what it's doing, but I can't say I can tell you why anymore. I would have thought the stator support fix would have done it.

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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #146 on: October 23, 2009 - 05:53:01 AM »
Yet another entry in the never ending saga that is my transmission story.

Well, the shop was supposed to have called me back wednesday to address what they were going to do about the torque converter reimbursement and then "hopefully" by end of day yesterday after speaking with transgo. Have not heard from them yet (its friday now)

I went to another shop yesterday....one that the tech at Transgo (Transgo is in California...I live near Pittsburgh, PA) highly recommended , saying this guy "has integrity" and will do it right.  My father-in-law had some work done at the same shop on his truck's rear end and was very pleased (other shops were talking about charging him twice what this guy did).....also recommended by someone on another forum as having done some of his TFs.  Shop is immaculate and well organized, lit, etc.

He was on his way out for a soda so we jumped in his truck and we took a ride where I laid it all out....

I explained the situation and the guy basically said that while he does do some bench builds, he prefers to have the whole car so he can make sure EVERYTHING is right...levers, linkages, etc.

He said that he wasn't going to lead me on...that he would want the car and that he would need to basically open it up to see what the other shop did.....check for the right parts, see if they drilled holes where they shouldn't be or too large, etc....he would also want to check to be sure that I have the right levers on the tranny (pressure and shift) and that the kickdown is working right.

Quoted me $550 to R/R, open it up and make it right.  Any parts I would need would be extra.  He said he charges $55 an hour and figures he would have 10 hours into R/R and tearing down,checking, reassembling.

He never drove the car...just heard what I described and said that it sounds like an internal pressure loss. (Like you guys have been saying all along).  I forgot to ask about his warranty (although the warranty at the first shop seems to be a waste). Said he would need the car 3 or 4 days so he could take his time, and could start next week. He said that when I get the car back it will be right.

I don't know what to do here.

My wife doesn't think I should spend another $550 .....maybe just buy a "new" tranny...but I explained that plenty of folks here have relayed bad feedback on those too and that they run about $1,000....then she suggested buying another used one and having it redone......thinking that its the tranny itself that cannot be fixed.

She says "what if this guy can;t fix it either...you are out even more money."

I would think that unless the case is cracked, etc that that wouldnt be the issue.

In any event she isn't happy.

Nor am I....if I go to this second shop and shell out the cash again, i will either have to eat the extra cost or go after the first shop for it......do you think that by giving them two chances with it I have done all I need to do? :dunno: I mean, how many times should I remove the tranny, take it to the first shop, have them tinker with it and reinstall, paying for fluid etc out of my pocket, before I say enough is enough?

I would have thought that someone knowing what they are doing would have done it right the first time.....but still not right after the SECOND time?  Seems to me that a third time could end up being a waste too.....as many of you have suggested, I don't think the first shop is going to get it right.

I hate to think of someone else pulling the tranny and doing the work I can do, but maybe it would be worth it to finally be DONE with the trans issues .  He asked about if the trans can be dropped without pulling the headers (I never told him the car had headers....he musty have observed that just by the minute he looked at the car from his shop...so, observant I guess) He seemed to be saying the right things and asking me the right questions.....

One side benefit would be that he could verfy that the new parts I paid the other shop are actually in my transmission and give me that peace of mind.

What would you guys do now?

« Last Edit: October 23, 2009 - 07:09:48 AM by shadango »

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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #147 on: October 23, 2009 - 07:17:04 AM »
What about if you pulled it out.....again  :banghead: and then took the transmission to him,put it back in, then took the car up to him then he could make sure everything is right? What would his price be then? I would go for that if you threw that out at me. :grinyes:
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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #148 on: October 23, 2009 - 07:30:34 AM »
I didnt ask for that option

When we were discussing bench builds, he talked about that scenario....he specifically said that in this case he would want the car...  I guess his thought is that he wants to check over and look at EVERYTHING to be able to stake his rep on it.  Plus, he doesnt know me...I suppose he could also be thinking "maybe this guy's install is part of the issue."

If he has the car, if it still isnt right when he redoes it he can pull it again, etc I suppose and not have to have me pull it yet again.....

I should have asked how much of that cost he figured was to R/R the tranny.

Since he is talking about tearing the whole tranny down again PLUS the R/R I didnt think that the cost was that bad, considering.

How much do you figure is R/R ?  It took me about 4.5-5 hrs to either pull or reinstall......I have to figure you guys could do it in half the time.....so I was thinking maybe 5 hrs total R/R.....??


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Re: visited the tranny shop for the followup....
« Reply #149 on: October 23, 2009 - 09:00:37 AM »
As far as going after the other shop for repair charges from the 2nd shop, I don't believe you would get anything back at this point.  You have to allow them every opportunity to make it right.  Unfortunately, who knows if that is 2 times, 4 times, etc?  You might try to find some quick legal advice on that matter, but I would go into it expecting nothing.  You could always file in small claims court after shop 2 does the repairs, and do your best to make your case against going back to shop 1 a 3rd time, especially if shop 2 can document anything shop 1 did wrong.