Any Chrysler Tech's on the board?

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Offline Confederate Cuda

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Any Chrysler Tech's on the board?
« on: August 26, 2009 - 09:24:50 AM »
I need to know how much oil is in the AC system for a new Challenger SRT or any other 6.1 hemi application. I am running a vintage air system but with the orginal Chrysler compressor for a 6.1. I was told once but can't find where I worte it down  :banghead: and now my favorite Chrysler dealership is closed  :walkaway: I think it was 5.9 oz but can't be sure
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2009 - 01:32:42 PM »
I dont know on the vintage a/c system but it sure seems like it would take more than 5.9 oz's. 1 can is 12 oz's

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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2009 - 04:13:30 PM »
I dont know on the vintage a/c system but it sure seems like it would take more than 5.9 oz's. 1 can is 12 oz's
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 I am referring to the PAG oil that is used to lubricate the system and not the refrigerant.

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2009 - 04:14:40 PM »
I believe it is right for you the Pag oil should be about that much in the compressor.  :2cents:
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2009 - 06:44:39 PM »
So here is the answer 6.1 oz in case you ever need to know. I called or went by 5 different dealers before someone could tell me the answer. Keep in mind these were service techs and not managers - I got answers that ranged from we have no idea, you just dump out the oil that was in the old compressor and put that much back in the new compressor (keep in mind a new compressor is shipped without oil) or one guy said that he thinks it holds about 8 oz so he would start with 4oz. WTF and we wonder why Chrysler dealerships don't make any money. Do service techs not get training anymore??? I finally found a dealer where the parts guy could not find it in the system but at least he went and got the service tech who was able to find it.

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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2009 - 06:47:51 PM »
If you had of put the 5.9 oz in I do not think you would have ran into a problem with it.  I am glad you go the correct answer though.   :bigsmile:
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2009 - 06:57:27 PM »
Sounds easy. 6.1 hemi? 6.1 oz. I wonder if the 5.7 has 5.7 oz?
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2009 - 07:11:09 PM »
Sounds easy. 6.1 hemi? 6.1 oz. I wonder if the 5.7 has 5.7 oz?


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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2009 - 10:27:28 PM »
Sounds easy. 6.1 hemi? 6.1 oz. I wonder if the 5.7 has 5.7 oz?

You may be onto something there.
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2009 - 10:35:00 PM »
Yeah but I would hate for someone to take my advice and lock up the compressor on their 3.5 Challenger  :o
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2009 - 11:01:25 PM »
I don't think that math works, I have a 6.4  :bigsmile:

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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2010 - 11:09:04 PM »
Hope I'm not too late to the party here, as I am qualified to answer the question.  :bigsmile:

I sure hope you didn't add any oil to the system as the compressor if new comes pre-filled with the required amount of oil for the system. if a part is changed you need to subtract the oil from the new compressor. anyway here is a copy paste from the service info.

REFRIGERANT OIL CAPACITY
When an A/C system is assembled at the factory, all components except the A/C compressor are refrigerant oil free. After the refrigerant system has been charged and operated, the refrigerant oil in the A/C compressor is dispersed throughout the refrigerant system. The receiver/drier, A/C evaporator, A/C condenser and the A/C compressor will each retain a significant amount of the needed refrigerant oil.

It is important to have the correct amount of refrigerant oil in the A/C system. This ensures proper lubrication of the A/C compressor. Too little oil will result in damage to the A/C compressor, while too much oil will reduce the cooling capacity of the A/C system and consequently result in higher discharge air temperatures.

CAUTION:  The oil used in the A/C compressor is ND-8 PAG R-134a refrigerant oil. Only refrigerant oil of the same type should be used to service the A/C system. Do not use any other refrigerant oil. The oil container should be kept tightly capped until it is ready for use and then tightly capped after use to prevent contamination from dirt and moisture. Refrigerant oil will quickly absorb any moisture it comes in contact with, therefore, special effort must be used to keep all R-134a system components moisture-free. Moisture in the refrigerant oil is very difficult to remove and will cause a reliability problem with the A/C compressor. 




NOTE:  Most reclaim/recycling equipment will measure the lubricant being removed during recovery. This amount of lubricant should be added back into the system. Refer to the reclaim/recycling equipment manufacturers instructions. 

It will not be necessary to check the oil level in the A/C compressor or to add oil, unless there has been an oil loss. An oil loss may occur due to a rupture or leak from a refrigerant line, a connector fitting, a component, or a component seal. If a leak occurs, add 30 milliliters (1 fluid ounce) of refrigerant oil to the refrigerant system after the repair has been made. Refrigerant oil loss will be evident at the leak point by the presence of a wet, shiny surface around the leak.

Refrigerant oil must be added when an A/C condenser, A/C evaporator or A/C receiver/drier is replaced (refer to the Refrigerant Oil Capacities chart).

The refrigerant oil level in a new A/C compressor must first be adjusted prior to compressor installation (refer to COMPRESSOR OIL DRAIN PROCEDURE ).



REFRIGERANT OIL CAPACITIES
COMPONENT  ml.  oz. 
Total System Fill 180 6.1
A/C Condenser 30 1.0
A/C Evaporator 60 2.0
A/C Receiver/drier 30 1.0
A/C Compressor Drain and measure the oil from the old compressor (See Compressor Oil Drain Procedure)



COMPRESSOR OIL DRAIN PROCEDURE
CAUTION:  Be certain to adjust the refrigerant system oil level when replacing an A/C compressor. Failure to properly drain and measure the refrigerant oil from the A/C compressor can prevent the A/C system from operating as designed and cause serious compressor damage. 


The A/C compressor is filled with refrigerant oil from the factory. Use the following procedure to drain and measure refrigerant oil from the A/C compressor.

1. Drain all of the refrigerant oil from the old A/C compressor into a clean measured container.
2. Drain all of the refrigerant oil from the new A/C compressor into a clean measured container.
3. Refill the new A/C compressor with the same amount of refrigerant oil that was drained out of the old compressor. Use only clean refrigerant oil of the type recommended for the A/C compressor in the vehicle.
4. Install the new A/C compressor onto the engine (Refer to 24 - Heating and Air Conditioning/Plumbing/COMPRESSOR, A/C - Installation) .
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Re: Any Chrysler Tech's on the board?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2010 - 11:29:43 PM »
Tougher to figure out when the Compressor & system are made by different companies & the system has never been run ....... as in totally new install using Vintage air system & new sanden compressor

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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2010 - 10:06:17 PM »
Tougher to figure out when the Compressor & system are made by different companies & the system has never been run ....... as in totally new install using Vintage air system & new sanden compressor

Just a matter of arithmetic and specs.  :2thumbs:
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2010 - 06:59:05 PM »
Here was the outcome with mine. The compressor was shipped new from Chrysler and had NO PAG oil in it what so ever. I used the recommend 6.1 oz for the stock SRT system in a Vintage AIR Gen IV system and it worked perfectly.