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452 Heads
« on: September 02, 2009 - 08:51:48 PM »
Hey guys, I got a set of 452 heads coming from a friend for my 440 build.  Im pretty set on using these, thus Im going to want to maximize them.  Porting tips and valve sizes are what Im looking at.  What is the biggest valve sizes I can stuff in them.  I have heard that you can fit Intake 2.15 and exhaust 1.88?  Also if you can go bigger say 2.20 and 1.90?  I dont know the wisdom about valves so if there is a formula or system please let me know. 

Also what advice can you guys give me about porting the heads? 

Thanks guys.

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Re: 452 Heads
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2009 - 12:31:55 AM »
you will need to use a quench dom piston with them for best results
 I use 2.14/ 1.81or 1.84 valves , going bigger will not benefit a great deal
 I can write a book on porting , did you down load any of the pix I have posted in the past ??

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Re: 452 Heads
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2009 - 04:21:20 AM »
Exhaust valve size is overrated! I have seen a set of ported 915's recently for a decent price.....  Iron heads are like paying rent! A waste of money  :2cents:

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Re: 452 Heads
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2009 - 02:35:50 PM »
you will need to use a quench dom piston with them for best results
 I use 2.14/ 1.81or 1.84 valves , going bigger will not benefit a great deal
 I can write a book on porting , did you down load any of the pix I have posted in the past ??

Neil,

To be honest bro I didnt see any of the threads on it?  I may have been deployed at the time???  Thanks for the advice on the pistons.

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Re: 452 Heads
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2009 - 02:37:22 PM »
Exhaust valve size is overrated! I have seen a set of ported 915's recently for a decent price.....  Iron heads are like paying rent! A waste of money  :2cents:

One day bro I will be in the big league! 

But for now I want to have a bad ass set of 452's! 

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Re: 452 Heads
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2009 - 10:17:16 PM »
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Re: 452 Heads
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2009 - 11:21:46 PM »
WOW!  That is cheap!  Thanks bro!  Now I just need to find some 1.88's for the ehxuast.

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Re: 452 Heads
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2009 - 11:51:36 PM »
Exhaust valve size is overrated! I have seen a set of ported 915's recently for a decent price.....  Iron heads are like paying rent! A waste of money  :2cents:

 Ok but lets say you don`t have the budget for alum heads & just want to get it running , I have made a Lot of midrange power using Stock Iron heads

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Re: 452 Heads
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2009 - 12:04:56 AM »
Porting will make or break any head , I have seen B1 heads ruined to the point where they flow less than untouched heads , same goes with Iron , you can create fantastic flow or turn the head into a paper weight
 not to brag but my heads have increased flow all the way up without port stall to over .650 lift & still have not lost any flow effeciency at 1.00 lift with flow gains of 14-21% , on top of this I am gaining swirl for extreme mixing & fuel suspension which is where some of the stupid / unobtainable milage figures I get come from . For example the 512 " Coronet making a dyno proven 398 HP & 460 Ft lbs at the tires with 915 heads also made 17.6 MPG on the highway using the 833 OD & 3.55 gears with a 950 CFM Proform carb & stays above  400 ft lbs from 2200 -5200 RPM

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Re: 452 Heads
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2009 - 06:21:12 AM »
 :iagree:  The bad news is any BB factory iron head has limitations. The good news is they can be made to flow a bunch more air than they do stock. Never ported 452's but I've picked up 7 tents at the track using big valves and porting both 915's and 906's.  I'd put it together with stock heads and run it first and then you can gage your increase (or decrease)  :grinyes:
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Re: 452 Heads
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2009 - 01:09:11 PM »
Budget or not dumping a buch of money into iron heads makes no sense to me...... remember I had a fully ported set of 906's before with big valves..... now that I look back would never go that route again!...... Just my opinion  :2cents:

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Re: 452 Heads
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2009 - 05:42:23 PM »
Back in the 70's when I started tinkering with porting there was little alternative, but it is no fun porting cast iron heads.  :swear:  You can though get alot of satisfaction out of doing the work yourself and seeing the results on a timecard.  :grinyes:
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Re: 452 Heads
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2009 - 11:42:41 PM »
Guys just trying to make the best out of what I got.  With deals like 50$ sets of intake valves I think I can come in pretty good on a set of iron heads. 

I would love to have some ported alum heads...  I just dont have the 2g's to make it happen.  So with that being said...  Iron heads will have to do.

Any tips on porting the heads would be appricated as I might try to do it myself.

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Re: 452 Heads
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2009 - 01:43:36 AM »
I will dig up the pix again simply put the flow is mostly on the outside of the curve , think fluids , so I leaver the floors alone for 2 reasons , 1 it traps un atomized fuel & 2 the flow imporves with increased floor height so why lower the floor & the turbulance on the floor will drive th eflow higher in the port.
, blending in behind the seats & matching the port size to the gasket on both the intake & head & ehaust manifolds is key to reducing turbulence ! Removing the pushrod wall doesn`t help much & actually reduces the veturi effect of speeding the air flow right behind the valve so I usuall square it up & widen it a little bit .  The trick is shaping around the guides , you want the guide as narrow & wing shaped as possible with a round leding edge & a sharp trailing edge + by making the higher flow side of the wing longer you will creat a faster flow & create a swirl effect arond the guide & into the chamber , what I do is direct the air flow to hit the back of the valve at about 45-50* instead of slamming into the back of the valve at 85* , by twisting it around the valve head the flow stays very high even at low lifts .

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Re: 452 Heads
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2009 - 10:23:31 AM »
Don could you please state the current condition of the heads... thx